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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 06]

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DOHC wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 17:36
hmm payah jg yah kl gt seal karet nya, padahal scara fisik ta liat ga ad bocor atau rembes loh mbah

karetnya jg ga ad sobek


saya hampir nggak pernah nemu seal kaliper sampe bocor. tapi kalo piston kaliper macet, sering sekali.
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Folde repair manual, buka file index.html.
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 06]

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DOHC wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 17:36
Omnibus wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 17:25
bisa aja karetnya mbah ..... ibarat sagami jg ga bisa lama2 dipake kan.
hmm payah jg yah kl gt seal karet nya, padahal scara fisik ta liat ga ad bocor atau rembes loh mbah

karetnya jg ga ad sobek
stuck atau tdk lentur lagi trus menahan pergerakan maju mundur si piston

ada baiknya dicek maju mundurnya piston. gampang kan caranya.
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:big_exellent:
k1493nk wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 21:37 Folde repair manual, buka file index.html.
Buat lipindut ada ngga Om?
Yg saya pny ngga lengkap di beberapa bagian penting meskipun sdh bahasa Indonesia.
Kl liat manual lipindut bahasa Indonesia jelas aja teknisinya msh pake pola campuran asem regez gt :big_slap:
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Omnibus wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 22:48
DOHC wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 17:36
Omnibus wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 17:25
bisa aja karetnya mbah ..... ibarat sagami jg ga bisa lama2 dipake kan.
hmm payah jg yah kl gt seal karet nya, padahal scara fisik ta liat ga ad bocor atau rembes loh mbah

karetnya jg ga ad sobek
stuck atau tdk lentur lagi trus menahan pergerakan maju mundur si piston

ada baiknya dicek maju mundurnya piston. gampang kan caranya.
Buat pistonnya maju sih tinggal injak pedal rem mbah shifu.
Nah u buat dia mundur lagi kalau pake tangan kayanya butuh tangan igun kecuali mobil baru keluar dealer.
Mesti pakai C Clamp yg mirip pny Mbah Josomba itu kali ya :big_think:
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blloewy wrote::big_exellent:
k1493nk wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 21:37 Folde repair manual, buka file index.html.
Buat lipindut ada ngga Om?
Yg saya pny ngga lengkap di beberapa bagian penting meskipun sdh bahasa Indonesia.
Kl liat manual lipindut bahasa Indonesia jelas aja teknisinya msh pake pola campuran asem regez gt :big_slap:
Ndak mbah, itu aja nemunya di website Rusia, blog pribadi kayaknya, kadang kalau tgl tua ga bisa diakses, makanya kemarin sy grab biar bisa diakses offline. Kebetulan juga blm pernah pelihara nissan. Sy biasanya hanya nyari manual mbl yg tak pelihara aja.
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marmut wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 18:07
DOHC wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 17:36
hmm payah jg yah kl gt seal karet nya, padahal scara fisik ta liat ga ad bocor atau rembes loh mbah

karetnya jg ga ad sobek


saya hampir nggak pernah nemu seal kaliper sampe bocor. tapi kalo piston kaliper macet, sering sekali.
Mbah

Kl gt servis ganti karet seal rem gt mmg ad interval nya ga brapa bulan atau km ?
Omnibus wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 22:48
DOHC wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 17:36
Omnibus wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 17:25
bisa aja karetnya mbah ..... ibarat sagami jg ga bisa lama2 dipake kan.
hmm payah jg yah kl gt seal karet nya, padahal scara fisik ta liat ga ad bocor atau rembes loh mbah

karetnya jg ga ad sobek
stuck atau tdk lentur lagi trus menahan pergerakan maju mundur si piston

ada baiknya dicek maju mundurnya piston. gampang kan caranya.
:big_think:

Bener juga

Ta coba bongkar lg d
numpang lewat aja.... :ngacir: :ngacir:
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 06]

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DOHC wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:12
marmut wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 18:07
DOHC wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 17:36
hmm payah jg yah kl gt seal karet nya, padahal scara fisik ta liat ga ad bocor atau rembes loh mbah

karetnya jg ga ad sobek


saya hampir nggak pernah nemu seal kaliper sampe bocor. tapi kalo piston kaliper macet, sering sekali.
Mbah

Kl gt servis ganti karet seal rem gt mmg ad interval nya ga brapa bulan atau km ?
Omnibus wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 22:48
DOHC wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 17:36

hmm payah jg yah kl gt seal karet nya, padahal scara fisik ta liat ga ad bocor atau rembes loh mbah

karetnya jg ga ad sobek
stuck atau tdk lentur lagi trus menahan pergerakan maju mundur si piston

ada baiknya dicek maju mundurnya piston. gampang kan caranya.
:big_think:

Bener juga

Ta coba bongkar lg d
mana bisa beres kl ga dibenerin mbah. kayanya dr waktu itu udah dibilangin kan hrs di overhaul itu calipernya.
panas overheat ✅
makan brake pad sebelah ✅
brake fade sampe ngerem blong pas tarik2an ✅

kl ragu2 ala libra utk DIY ya kasih ke bengkel yg sanggup ngerjain lah. itu kan important item, safety first mbah.
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 06]

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Omnibus wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:36
mana bisa beres kl ga dibenerin mbah. kayanya dr waktu itu udah dibilangin kan hrs di overhaul itu calipernya.
panas overheat ✅
makan brake pad sebelah ✅
brake fade sampe ngerem blong pas tarik2an ✅

kl ragu2 ala libra utk DIY ya kasih ke bengkel yg sanggup ngerjain lah. itu kan important item, safety first mbah.

hooo.... mbah suhu malah inget detailnya. saya ngga inget.
suruh bongkar sendiri mbah... udah senior kok takut bongkar kaliper? bikin malu asem reges aja. tarik lagi manoskopnya mbah... disita kalo dia ngga brani bongkar.

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marmut wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:17
Omnibus wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:36
mana bisa beres kl ga dibenerin mbah. kayanya dr waktu itu udah dibilangin kan hrs di overhaul itu calipernya.
panas overheat ✅
makan brake pad sebelah ✅
brake fade sampe ngerem blong pas tarik2an ✅

kl ragu2 ala libra utk DIY ya kasih ke bengkel yg sanggup ngerjain lah. itu kan important item, safety first mbah.

hooo.... mbah suhu malah inget detailnya. saya ngga inget.
suruh bongkar sendiri mbah... udah senior kok takut bongkar kaliper? bikin malu asem reges aja. tarik lagi manoskopnya mbah... disita kalo dia ngga brani bongkar.

:big_biglaugh:
tau tuh ...... ngakunya lurah asemregez tp O/H kaliper aja kedele tempe kedele tempe, nanya lagi bolak balik kenapa tp ga dikerja2in, mana bisa rebes eh beres. jawapan satu2nya emang belom berani O/H sendiri dia. drpd keburu jadi musibah krn itu rem mending suruh bengkel aja biar cepet kelar.

ayo taruhan ntar berapa lama lagi mbah delko nanya lagi nih ttg rem. wkwkwkwkwkwk gitu terus ulang2

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Kalau saya masih lumrah yah tanya2x karena masih baru belajar mobil.
Nah mbah Delco kan memang dr dulu bongpas mobil
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Profith83 wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:31 Kalau saya masih lumrah yah tanya2x karena masih baru belajar mobil.
Nah mbah Delco kan memang dr dulu bongpas mobil
apaan ...... sama ajah


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Apalagi ane yg nubi banget baru bljr nyetir :big_dunno:

SIM aja blm punya :big_dunno:

Maklum masih abege :big_biglaugh:
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Omnibus wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:23
ayo taruhan ntar berapa lama lagi mbah delko nanya lagi nih ttg rem. wkwkwkwkwkwk gitu terus ulang2

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marmut wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:17
suruh bongkar sendiri mbah... udah senior kok takut bongkar kaliper? bikin malu asem reges aja. tarik lagi manoskopnya mbah... disita kalo dia ngga brani bongkar.

:big_biglaugh:
tenangg mbah2 suhu skalian

berbekal tools seadanya dan hasil konsul semalem... ud ta eksekusi barusan dari pagi2 buta ampe jem makan siang

brikut field report seadanya

pertama kenalan dulu ama tools2 seadannya ini, ada manoskop, trelek, konci sok nomer 14 ama 21, ekstensyen pendek, breaker bar
20210725_104631.jpg
lalu roda dibuka, kaliper dibuka, dan ternjata benar dugaan mbah2 punggawa padepokan (baca : bengkel) ini, rem ada macet baik yg kiri ama kanan
kampas dibuka, smuanya anehnya makan luar
20210725_105240.jpg
20210725_101624.jpg
padahal penyebab nya berbeza... yg kanan persis tebakan mbah 69, sliding pin macet, ampe bisa diliat, banyak banget heat spot di sliding pin nya
20210725_105709.jpg
20210725_101541.jpg
20210725_101532.jpg

kl yg kiri, benar tebakan mbah masas, piston macet sikit, td coba masup kuarin, yg pertama agak macet, lalu lancar, akhirnya ta bongkar (tenang, kita orang jebolan asemregez wajip bsa bongkar rem koq :big_smoking: ).. bersihin, pasang lg lancar jaya... ternjata ad sisa vet yg nyelinep di karet boot nya, entah kayanya dulu saya kelewat semangat ngasi vet ampe bleber sana sini trus campur debu pasir dan bkin macet..

hasil akhir nya ??
20210725_114903.jpg
20210725_114853.jpg

test jalan, lgs masup tol dalkot, hajar nyetir sruntulan, banting gigi ke S4, uenakkkk... ga ad lg pedal spongy

bonus, poto karet sil kliper piston rem kiri yg macett , masi bagus ternjata, belom sobek dan masi elastis, jd ta bersihin trus pake lagi
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DOHC wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:44
hasil akhir nya ??
20210725_114903.jpg
20210725_114853.jpg


test jalan, lgs masup tol dalkot, hajar nyetir sruntulan, banting gigi ke S4, uenakkkk... ga ad lg pedal spongy
Anu mbah...itu khan piston dibuka trs dibersihkan.
Jadi kudu buang angin di rem brp lama mbah? sama isi minyak rem lagi dung mbah?
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blloewy wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:50
DOHC wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:44
hasil akhir nya ??
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20210725_114853.jpg


test jalan, lgs masup tol dalkot, hajar nyetir sruntulan, banting gigi ke S4, uenakkkk... ga ad lg pedal spongy
Anu mbah...itu khan piston dibuka trs dibersihkan.
Jadi kudu buang angin di rem brp lama mbah? sama isi minyak rem lagi dung mbah?
tepat skali mbah blower

jd td jg skalian kuras minyak rem krn kepalang tanggung bongkar piston, dan emg ud jadwal nya jg, trakir ganti kira2 3- 4 bulan yg lalu

abis kira2 sliter
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Omnibus wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:38
Profith83 wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:31 Kalau saya masih lumrah yah tanya2x karena masih baru belajar mobil.
Nah mbah Delco kan memang dr dulu bongpas mobil
apaan ...... sama ajah


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DOHC wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:44


ntaaapp.... :big_okay:

gitu dong, jangan bikin malu markas besar kita dulu.

selama ini saya belum pernah nemu seal kaliper sobek atau sampe bocor, yang ada malah piston macet.
nah, kalo sampe piston macet, saran saya sih seal diganti baru saja.
masalahnya, harga nggak seberapa, tapi bongkarnya yang males.
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marmut wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:04
DOHC wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:44


ntaaapp.... :big_okay:

gitu dong, jangan bikin malu markas besar kita dulu.

selama ini saya belum pernah nemu seal kaliper sobek atau sampe bocor, yang ada malah piston macet.
nah, kalo sampe piston macet, saran saya sih seal diganti baru saja.
masalahnya, harga nggak seberapa, tapi bongkarnya yang males.
kl sil macet

kayanya jamann duluuu banget, circa 5-6 taon yg lalu saya perna post di forum ini jg deh mbah, cuman lupa di tret mana.. waktu itu yg macet inofa jadul saya.. jd kes nya, piston karat + sil yg melar, lagi2 yg macet roda depan kiri.. nah pas di copot, kliatan tu sil klewer2, ga pas ngejepit groove di kpala babi nya... nah kl yg tadi pagi pas saya bongkar, sil masi ngejepit kuat di groove nya, boot pun jg masi bagus

kapan2 deh saya pesen dulu boot sil repair kit nya , nanti baru bongkar lg


btw, jaman saya pake panther dulu, itu yg namanya sil bocor, boot sobek ud sering banget malah mbah
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 06]

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DOHC wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:10

mbah, kan sudah ada SMRT ya...
kalo kita bikin SMHT, nanti mbah masas pake kostum ala stig pas lagi kopdar.

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marmut wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:28
DOHC wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:10

mbah, kan sudah ada SMRT ya...
kalo kita bikin SMHT, nanti mbah masas pake kostum ala stig pas lagi kopdar.

:mky_01:
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he owns the whole string of masas center in jakarta :mky_03: :mky_03: :mky_03: :mky_03:
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DOHC wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:44
Omnibus wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:23
ayo taruhan ntar berapa lama lagi mbah delko nanya lagi nih ttg rem. wkwkwkwkwkwk gitu terus ulang2

:big_weee:
marmut wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:17
suruh bongkar sendiri mbah... udah senior kok takut bongkar kaliper? bikin malu asem reges aja. tarik lagi manoskopnya mbah... disita kalo dia ngga brani bongkar.

:big_biglaugh:
tenangg mbah2 suhu skalian

berbekal tools seadanya dan hasil konsul semalem... ud ta eksekusi barusan dari pagi2 buta ampe jem makan siang

brikut field report seadanya

pertama kenalan dulu ama tools2 seadannya ini, ada manoskop, trelek, konci sok nomer 14 ama 21, ekstensyen pendek, breaker bar
20210725_104631.jpg

lalu roda dibuka, kaliper dibuka, dan ternjata benar dugaan mbah2 punggawa padepokan (baca : bengkel) ini, rem ada macet baik yg kiri ama kanan
kampas dibuka, smuanya anehnya makan luar
20210725_105240.jpg
20210725_101624.jpg

padahal penyebab nya berbeza... yg kanan persis tebakan mbah 69, sliding pin macet, ampe bisa diliat, banyak banget heat spot di sliding pin nya
20210725_105709.jpg
20210725_101541.jpg
20210725_101532.jpg


kl yg kiri, benar tebakan mbah masas, piston macet sikit, td coba masup kuarin, yg pertama agak macet, lalu lancar, akhirnya ta bongkar (tenang, kita orang jebolan asemregez wajip bsa bongkar rem koq :big_smoking: ).. bersihin, pasang lg lancar jaya... ternjata ad sisa vet yg nyelinep di karet boot nya, entah kayanya dulu saya kelewat semangat ngasi vet ampe bleber sana sini trus campur debu pasir dan bkin macet..

hasil akhir nya ??
20210725_114903.jpg
20210725_114853.jpg


test jalan, lgs masup tol dalkot, hajar nyetir sruntulan, banting gigi ke S4, uenakkkk... ga ad lg pedal spongy

bonus, poto karet sil kliper piston rem kiri yg macett , masi bagus ternjata, belom sobek dan masi elastis, jd ta bersihin trus pake lagi
20210725_134750.jpg
nah gini dong baru lurah asemregez beneran bukan gadungan. masa bolak balik nanya2 kaya abege libra aje ...... langsung eksekusi itu prinsip DIY member sini. :big_weee:

btw mantep bgt mbah ..... susah ngga? wakakaka

tanpa tugel pastinya lah yaaa ...... :big_weee: :big_biglaugh:
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DOHC wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:30
marmut wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:28
DOHC wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:10

mbah, kan sudah ada SMRT ya...
kalo kita bikin SMHT, nanti mbah masas pake kostum ala stig pas lagi kopdar.

:mky_01:
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he owns the whole string of masas center in jakarta :mky_03: :mky_03: :mky_03: :mky_03:
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marmut wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:28
DOHC wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:10

mbah, kan sudah ada SMRT ya...
kalo kita bikin SMHT, nanti mbah masas pake kostum ala stig pas lagi kopdar.

:mky_01:
ntar saya ketauan cemen bin cupu nya mbah ...... kl skrg maya gini kan keliatannya keren kaya 007 gitu :big_weee:

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marmut wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:58
Omnibus wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:38
Profith83 wrote: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:31 Kalau saya masih lumrah yah tanya2x karena masih baru belajar mobil.
Nah mbah Delco kan memang dr dulu bongpas mobil
apaan ...... sama ajah


......... :ngacir:



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seuri wae mbah .....

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