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Parah ini

gw pikir th 2040

https://m.bisnis.com/amp/read/20220927/ ... rbasis-bbm

Bisnis.com, JAKARTA - Menteri Koordinator Bidang Kemaritiman dan Investasi Luhut Binsar Pandjaitan menyatakan pemerintah akan menyetop seluruh produksi kendaraan bermotor roda empat yang berbahan bakar minyak (BBM) atau fosil pada 2035.

Luhut mengatakan pemerintah serius untuk menggunakan kendaraan listrik untuk kegiatan sehari-hari, termasuk juga di pemerintahan.

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Apakah program IPI yg terkesan "dipaksakan" ini sama fenomena nya spt KOMPOR SETROM ??

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2035 gak yakin opung ini masih h1dup, peraturan juga dinamis, bisa jadi berubah tergantung kepentingan dan oknum yg menjabat, hehe
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Chr1stm1 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:09 2035 gak yakin opung ini masih h1dup, peraturan juga dinamis, bisa jadi berubah tergantung kepentingan dan oknum yg menjabat, hehe
Iya beda presiden jg ganti kebijakan :big_biglaugh:
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:wkkk: :wkkk: :wkkk: :wkkk:

good luck deh mikir sono ampe botak urusan logistik yang kerjanya odol2xan :wkkk:

odol = range drop jauh bisa tinggal 10-20% :ngacir:

belom odol pun juga ud ancur kali rangenya :wkkk:

tingggal nunggu harga barang pada naek gara2x expedisi musti modal beli batre ditambah lama nyampenya karena range drop :mky_07:

ingimpiiiiiiiii........ :wkkk:
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Chr1stm1 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:09 2035 gak yakin opung ini masih h1dup, peraturan juga dinamis, bisa jadi berubah tergantung kepentingan dan oknum yg menjabat, hehe
Muncul angka 2035 jg cuma latah :mky_03: roadmap gimana? Entahlah.

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masi aja ngemeng yang gak perlu....

mau serok saham asii ya ?
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Lagi tren keren2an ya adu cepat negara mana yg bikin kebijakan stop mobil piston sedini mungkin :mky_03: tinggal liat bakal berubah-ubah ga seiring ganti rezim :mky_03:
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fansdiesel wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:54 masi aja ngemeng yang gak perlu....

mau serok saham asii ya ?
Kayak elon musk, lagi mau serok DOGE, tinggal ngetwit ga percaya [cencored] macem DOGE, eee diem diem serok.

Terus ntar twit lagi bisa beli tesla pake DOGE. Naik lg. :mky_03:
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Pabrik mobil kan ber-evolusi, bisa beralih ke mobil listrik.
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Suryaputra wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:15
Chr1stm1 wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:09 2035 gak yakin opung ini masih h1dup, peraturan juga dinamis, bisa jadi berubah tergantung kepentingan dan oknum yg menjabat, hehe
Iya beda presiden jg ganti kebijakan :big_biglaugh:
Belum lg ditambah faktor geopolitik global yg ga menentu wkwk
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Kok kebijakannya hampir mirip kyk California ya? Atau jangan2 konspirasi / hanyalah kebetulan saja :ngacir:

Bedanya yg diban hanyalah gasoline powered cars...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/califor ... -2035.html
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sandal wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:44 Kok kebijakannya hampir mirip kyk California ya? Atau jangan2 konspirasi / hanyalah kebetulan saja :ngacir:

Bedanya yg diban hanyalah gasoline powered cars...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/califor ... -2035.html
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Kl US ama eropa kalah dari russia kan nt kebijakannya ganti lagi.

Jerman saja skrg balik lagi pake kayu bakar, survival lebih penting daripada emisi.
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b0ku wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:51

berapa hari kemudian :wkkk:



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menarik liat komen komennya. gak ada satupun yang ngebelain :big_biglaugh:

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ChZ wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:35
b0ku wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:51

berapa hari kemudian :wkkk:



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menarik liat komen komennya. gak ada satupun yang ngebelain :big_biglaugh:

sama kek di sini, yang minat sama EV kayaknya gak banyak banyak amat :mky_03:
Saya minat koq,
klo dijinkan Tuhan punya kelebihan uang buat beli EV + siap ganti batre nya/ ganti unit baru klo ada masalah

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ChZ wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:35 menarik liat komen komennya. gak ada satupun yang ngebelain :big_biglaugh:

sama kek di sini, yang minat sama EV kayaknya gak banyak banyak amat :mky_03:
ending yang membagongkan :wkkk:

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Kalo saya pribadi setuju dengan pendapat Fitra Eri di video berikut

IPI cocok sebagai mobil ke 2 / ke 3

User tetap piara mobil piston

Saya sendiri pun kalo suatu hari nanti beli IPI ya mobil piston tetap saya piara......he he

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Suryaputra wrote:
ChZ wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:35
b0ku wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:51

berapa hari kemudian :wkkk:



pekok
menarik liat komen komennya. gak ada satupun yang ngebelain :big_biglaugh:

sama kek di sini, yang minat sama EV kayaknya gak banyak banyak amat :mky_03:
Saya minat koq,
klo dijinkan Tuhan punya kelebihan uang buat beli EV + siap ganti batre nya/ ganti unit baru klo ada masalah

*naik Social economic status, menjadi kaum sulit nekuk dompet :mky_03:
Sama

Selain IPI, jika mobil Hydrogen Fuel Cell dan ekosistem nya berkembang baik & harga mobilnya terjangkau & biaya isi H2 nya ekonomis, saya pun juga minat, yg jenis mobil kecil.....jika ada rejeki "Super" nomplok.......wkwkwk

Tapi spt nya pengembangan mobil H2 Fuel Cell ini jalan di tempat ?

* Disclemer *

* Moga2 tiap bulan ada Right Issu spt PANI-R......akakakak *








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Turboman wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 1:11
Suryaputra wrote:
ChZ wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:35

menarik liat komen komennya. gak ada satupun yang ngebelain :big_biglaugh:

sama kek di sini, yang minat sama EV kayaknya gak banyak banyak amat :mky_03:
Saya minat koq,
klo dijinkan Tuhan punya kelebihan uang buat beli EV + siap ganti batre nya/ ganti unit baru klo ada masalah

*naik Social economic status, menjadi kaum sulit nekuk dompet :mky_03:
Sama

Selain IPI, jika mobil Hydrogen Fuel Cell dan ekosistem nya berkembang baik & harga mobilnya terjangkau & biaya isi H2 nya ekonomis, saya pun juga minat, yg jenis mobil kecil.....jika ada rejeki "Super" nomplok.......wkwkwk

Tapi spt nya pengembangan mobil H2 Fuel Cell ini jalan di tempat ?

* Disclemer *

* Moga2 tiap bulan ada Right Issu spt PANI-R......akakakak *
Iya mbahh
Jln di tempat krn biaya bangun pom hidrogennya muahal sekali.
Beda sm pom EV jauh lbh murah.

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Jd klo mau CHANGE dalam Industri otomotif, yaitu tantangannya di semua lini.

Beda sm CHANGE yg terjadi di industri startup/ gadget, tantangannya merubah habit customer aja

Knp?

CHANGE ini ada 3 faktor:
1. Infrastruktur
2. supply chain dan growth hacking (include pricing model)
3. customers

Klo 1 dan 2 sdh terpenuhi, gak butuh waktu 1 dekade untuk CHANGE

Jadi Tau kan knp steve jobs berhasil CHANGE hp keypad ke touchscreen.

EV? Not tomorrow :big_biglaugh:
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Nah itu, Yg ngeri saat ini itu untuk batere buat mobil/motor konversian, hampir pasti bikinan Cungkuo, tapi belun tentu dari pabrikan bonafid macam CATL, nah jadi ya kita kan ndak tau itu konversian pakai batere bikinan mana, standarnya kayak gimana, cell di battery dari batch yg sama kagak, cooling sama assemblynya udah bener kagak….. Jangan sampe irit kagak mbledug iya… :big_think: :big_think: :big_think:
Saya full support shift ke BEV (sudah pakai dan cukup puas), tapi jangan sampai kebut2an ndak pakai deliberate planning kayak gini, kalau sampe mobil/motor konversian pada mbledug, yg ada malah ntar orang pada paranoid sama BEV, yg salah kan bukan BEVnya tapi kebut2an implementasinya….. Harusnya deliberate dan jangan maksa, paling gampang, untuk daerah2 yg infra- nya sdh bagus (Jawa-Bali) cabut subsidi pelan2, dananya buat perluasan charging, insentif renewable power generation, bikin smart grid, bikin subsidi trade-in ICE ke BEV, jangan jeger ICE dilarang wajib BEV…. :mky_06: :mky_06: :mky_06: …. Lagian kan orang kita itu kalo dipaksa malah ngelawan, kalo diajak alus2an lama2 juga ngikut laaah…..
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Bibieight wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 3:36 Nah itu, Yg ngeri saat ini itu untuk batere buat mobil/motor konversian, hampir pasti bikinan Cungkuo, tapi belun tentu dari pabrikan bonafid macam CATL, nah jadi ya kita kan ndak tau itu konversian pakai batere bikinan mana, standarnya kayak gimana, cell di battery dari batch yg sama kagak, cooling sama assemblynya udah bener kagak….. Jangan sampe irit kagak mbledug iya… :big_think: :big_think: :big_think:
Saya full support shift ke BEV (sudah pakai dan cukup puas), tapi jangan sampai kebut2an ndak pakai deliberate planning kayak gini, kalau sampe mobil/motor konversian pada mbledug, yg ada malah ntar orang pada paranoid sama BEV, yg salah kan bukan BEVnya tapi kebut2an implementasinya….. Harusnya deliberate dan jangan maksa, paling gampang, untuk daerah2 yg infra- nya sdh bagus (Jawa-Bali) cabut subsidi pelan2, dananya buat perluasan charging, insentif renewable power generation, bikin smart grid, bikin subsidi trade-in ICE ke BEV, jangan jeger ICE dilarang wajib BEV…. :mky_06: :mky_06: :mky_06: …. Lagian kan orang kita itu kalo dipaksa malah ngelawan, kalo diajak alus2an lama2 juga ngikut laaah…..
gak akan bisa om selama caranya di charge orang maunya praktis isinya kalo bisa contoh pake biji bunga matahari lsg bisa jalan 300km itu mereka lsg consider beli :big_biglaugh:

selama mereka cuma ngandelin batre itu cuma ibarat ngimpi di siang bolong, menurut saya EV itu masa depan tapi kalo pakenya batre itu namanya mundur, karena mobil2x combustion kita itu portable generator daya tahan, kepraktisan ud terbukti, bertahun2x batre ud terbukti kadutnya dan cuma bagus buat alat2x kecil alat2x gede batre itu susah buat diandalkan, mending daripada energinya cuma abis fokus ke batre saran saya mendingan pikirin form laen yang bakalan works, dimana2x yang works selalu power generation yang bisa generate power tanpa ribet.com contoh EV paling praktis ya kapal selam nuklir sama kapal induk nuklir mereka cuma butuh 20th sekali buat ganti bahan bakar, pernah ada wacana semua cargo ship itu mau di ganti jadi tenaga nuklir tapi mungkin banyak resikonya akhirnya projectnya gak jalan :big_bored:



kalo diterusin mulu yang mederita ya rakyat kecil liatin aja om apalagi di amrik mobil bekas murah itu mereka butuh adek saya pun naek rongsokan buat pergi kerja disana kalo semua ev gimana mau bentuk market mobil rongsok kek gitu :big_bored:
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Suryaputra wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 2:05 Jd klo mau CHANGE dalam Industri otomotif, yaitu tantangannya di semua lini.

Beda sm CHANGE yg terjadi di industri startup/ gadget, tantangannya merubah habit customer aja

Knp?

CHANGE ini ada 3 faktor:
1. Infrastruktur
2. supply chain dan growth hacking (include pricing model)
3. customers

Klo 1 dan 2 sdh terpenuhi, gak butuh waktu 1 dekade untuk CHANGE

Jadi Tau kan knp steve jobs berhasil CHANGE hp keypad ke touchscreen.

EV? Not tomorrow :big_biglaugh:
nahh bener mbah spt ane sering bilang di sini : gadget tuh gak bisa disamain sama otomotif. nggak cuma mobil sih, transportasi in general.

pesawat komersil paling laku ya tetep buing dan airbus. sama kayak yang bikin mobil paling laku ya toyota dan VW, motor ya dari dulu yamaha ma honda.

ini berlangsung decades long ngga kayak gadget yang cepet banget kita dari pake blekberi terus pake android, ane inget blekberi tuh menjamur dulu dari ane awal SMA di 2009ish terus terakhir pegang blekberi tuh kayaknya 2013 apa 2014, pokoknya ane lulus kuliah di 2016 udah gak ada yang pegang blekberi. wong 2013an ane pake samsung, mau lulus kuliah xiaomi mulai nge boom. cepet banget berubah kl gadget mah.

sementara mobil dari ane orok sampe setua gini ya yang paling laku tetep toyota. mobil di rumah udah jalan 20 thn lebih punya honda bergenerasi-generasi. kl orang beli mobil mah biasa mau yang pasti-pasti kayak ane krn mobil makin gak murah. yang pasti gampang dan durable makanya beli honda.

dan itu sulit buat ngubah. ga cukup belasan tahun. mau sebagus apapun tesla kl di kepala bapak emak kita mobil terbaik ya tetep toyota kijang. kan susah. hyundai aja di lingkungan ane msh pada pandang sebelah mata koq. dibilang loh hyundai emang bagus ya. apalagi wuling dianggep pengen gaya gayaan doank tp duitnya cekak :big_biglaugh:

orang-orang yang ngomong ini padahal sehari-harinya ya gak masalah dengan ponsel atau laptop china. tapi urusan mobil tetep cinta nippon :big_smoking:

ane tuh malah sebenernya ngerasa otomotif akan ter disrupsi oleh mengecilnya minat anak muda beli mobil dan punya mobil. sepupu ane skrg usia kuliah pada blom bisa nyetir. padahal ane dulu usia 14 tahun dah ngotot minta bawa mobil sama bokap. atas-atas ane dan temen-temen ane banyak yang 5 SD malah pada udah belajar.
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Re: Produksi mobil piston di Indo setop th 2035 ???

Post by Suryaputra »

ChZ wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:38
Suryaputra wrote: Sat Oct 01, 2022 2:05 Jd klo mau CHANGE dalam Industri otomotif, yaitu tantangannya di semua lini.

Beda sm CHANGE yg terjadi di industri startup/ gadget, tantangannya merubah habit customer aja

Knp?

CHANGE ini ada 3 faktor:
1. Infrastruktur
2. supply chain dan growth hacking (include pricing model)
3. customers

Klo 1 dan 2 sdh terpenuhi, gak butuh waktu 1 dekade untuk CHANGE

Jadi Tau kan knp steve jobs berhasil CHANGE hp keypad ke touchscreen.

EV? Not tomorrow :big_biglaugh:
nahh bener mbah spt ane sering bilang di sini : gadget tuh gak bisa disamain sama otomotif. nggak cuma mobil sih, transportasi in general.

pesawat komersil paling laku ya tetep buing dan airbus. sama kayak yang bikin mobil paling laku ya toyota dan VW, motor ya dari dulu yamaha ma honda.

ini berlangsung decades long ngga kayak gadget yang cepet banget kita dari pake blekberi terus pake android, ane inget blekberi tuh menjamur dulu dari ane awal SMA di 2009ish terus terakhir pegang blekberi tuh kayaknya 2013 apa 2014, pokoknya ane lulus kuliah di 2016 udah gak ada yang pegang blekberi. wong 2013an ane pake samsung, mau lulus kuliah xiaomi mulai nge boom. cepet banget berubah kl gadget mah.

sementara mobil dari ane orok sampe setua gini ya yang paling laku tetep toyota. mobil di rumah udah jalan 20 thn lebih punya honda bergenerasi-generasi. kl orang beli mobil mah biasa mau yang pasti-pasti kayak ane krn mobil makin gak murah. yang pasti gampang dan durable makanya beli honda.

dan itu sulit buat ngubah. ga cukup belasan tahun. mau sebagus apapun tesla kl di kepala bapak emak kita mobil terbaik ya tetep toyota kijang. kan susah. hyundai aja di lingkungan ane msh pada pandang sebelah mata koq. dibilang loh hyundai emang bagus ya. apalagi wuling dianggep pengen gaya gayaan doank tp duitnya cekak :big_biglaugh:

orang-orang yang ngomong ini padahal sehari-harinya ya gak masalah dengan ponsel atau laptop china. tapi urusan mobil tetep cinta nippon :big_smoking:

ane tuh malah sebenernya ngerasa otomotif akan ter disrupsi oleh mengecilnya minat anak muda beli mobil dan punya mobil. sepupu ane skrg usia kuliah pada blom bisa nyetir. padahal ane dulu usia 14 tahun dah ngotot minta bawa mobil sama bokap. atas-atas ane dan temen-temen ane banyak yang 5 SD malah pada udah belajar.
Di circle saya... Anak gen z tuh sebagian sukanya gocar atau grabcar.

Why?
Gak bayar bbm, parkir, pajak mbl, perawatan mbl, dsb dsb
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Re: Produksi mobil piston di Indo setop th 2035 ???

Post by kendibocor »

b0ku wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:51
sandal wrote: Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:44 Kok kebijakannya hampir mirip kyk California ya? Atau jangan2 konspirasi / hanyalah kebetulan saja :ngacir:

Bedanya yg diban hanyalah gasoline powered cars...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/califor ... -2035.html
berapa hari kemudian :wkkk:



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Nanti muncul himbauan pas mudik jgn ngecharge di charge station karena bikin macet dan power grid ga kuat ngecharge berjamaah. Dorong aja sampe kota tujuan kalo batere habis :big_biglaugh:
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