Teknik Immersion cooling utk Batere EV

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Suryaputra wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:21
So.. konteksnya polusi udara yaa..
hulunya makin kotor, hilirnya bersih.


:ngacir:
alesan dibuat2x padahal elon juga ngambil batrenya dari tempat burung flaminggo :big_bored:

pertanyaannya marketnya ada gak???? terus dia kudu RND lagi buat mobil khusus indo hasilnya ntar jadi tesla bajaj juga :wkkk:
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Seorang pejabat tinggi negara bagian Florida, Kamis, memperingatkan bahwa petugas pemadam kebakaran telah memerangi sejumlah kebakaran yang disebabkan oleh baterai kendaraan listrik (EV) yang tergenang air dari Badai Ian.

Baterai EV yang telah terendam air setelah badai berada pada risiko korosi, yang dapat menyebabkan kebakaran yang tidak terduga, menurut Jimmy Patronis, pejabat keuangan dan petugas pemadam kebakaran negara bagian.

"Ada satu ton EV yang dinonaktifkan dari Ian. Saat baterai itu terkorosi, kebakaran dimulai," tweet Patronis Kamis. "Itu tantangan baru yang belum pernah dihadapi petugas pemadam kebakaran kami sebelumnya. Setidaknya dalam skala seperti ini."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/electr ... yn2SykLqe8

mobil listrik anda mungkin bisa selamat dari nerobos banjir hari ini tapi besok bisa bakar rumah............:ngacir:
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b0ku wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:07
Seorang pejabat tinggi negara bagian Florida, Kamis, memperingatkan bahwa petugas pemadam kebakaran telah memerangi sejumlah kebakaran yang disebabkan oleh baterai kendaraan listrik (EV) yang tergenang air dari Badai Ian.

Baterai EV yang telah terendam air setelah badai berada pada risiko korosi, yang dapat menyebabkan kebakaran yang tidak terduga, menurut Jimmy Patronis, pejabat keuangan dan petugas pemadam kebakaran negara bagian.

"Ada satu ton EV yang dinonaktifkan dari Ian. Saat baterai itu terkorosi, kebakaran dimulai," tweet Patronis Kamis. "Itu tantangan baru yang belum pernah dihadapi petugas pemadam kebakaran kami sebelumnya. Setidaknya dalam skala seperti ini."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/electr ... yn2SykLqe8

mobil listrik anda mungkin bisa selamat dari nerobos banjir hari ini tapi besok bisa bakar rumah............:ngacir:
Hmmm… sejauh ini kan yg beredar dimari bikinan Hyundai ya, nah :

Ini kan KIA EV6, packnya 100% sama ama Ioniq 5 LR. Tapi Berhubung captionnya Hangul, cuma bisa cek comment aja, kayaknya si kalo bikinan Korea punya battery pack nya aman, nah itu yg kecelup di Florida mbledug ada yg Hyundai/KIA gak, gak tau juga si kl yg pada mbledug bikinan Murican punya, macam Tesla, Ford atau Bolt…..
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Bibieight wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:05
Hmmm… sejauh ini kan yg beredar dimari bikinan Hyundai ya, nah :

Ini kan KIA EV6, packnya 100% sama ama Ioniq 5 LR. Tapi Berhubung captionnya Hangul, cuma bisa cek comment aja, kayaknya si kalo bikinan Korea punya battery pack nya aman, nah itu yg kecelup di Florida mbledug ada yg Hyundai/KIA gak, gak tau juga si kl yg pada mbledug bikinan Murican punya, macam Tesla, Ford atau Bolt…..
sejauh ini korea kona yang banyak mbleduq sendiri IONIQ 5 itu biasanya kena accident :big_bored:

tapi ya mungkin mayoritas yang kena EV2X yang ud ada umur soalnya emang musuhnya itu karat mau di bikin waterproof kalo dah rusak kena kondisi cuaca bisa aja bocor...... :big_bored:

tappi itu di news bilang biangnya ya korosi nah ini yang saya bilang hati2x hajar banjir hari ini gpp tapi gak tau taon2x kedepan efek sampingnya bisa kumat gara2x korosi, orang jazz aja kena tuh dinamo stater padahal terakhir nerabas juga berapa taon lalu pas di buka ternyata dinamonya isinya ud karat semua tapi bagusnya masih bisa di service jd gak ganti :big_bored:

sama hati2x kalo ud korosi nanti ada aja aer nemu jalan masuk ke sistem batre yang harusnya waterproof baru tau si blakangan ternyata kena aer malah mbleduk bukanya konslet terus mati :big_bored:
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Re: Teknik Immersion cooling utk Batere EV

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b0ku wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:23
Bibieight wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:05
Hmmm… sejauh ini kan yg beredar dimari bikinan Hyundai ya, nah :

Ini kan KIA EV6, packnya 100% sama ama Ioniq 5 LR. Tapi Berhubung captionnya Hangul, cuma bisa cek comment aja, kayaknya si kalo bikinan Korea punya battery pack nya aman, nah itu yg kecelup di Florida mbledug ada yg Hyundai/KIA gak, gak tau juga si kl yg pada mbledug bikinan Murican punya, macam Tesla, Ford atau Bolt…..
sejauh ini korea kona yang banyak mbleduq sendiri IONIQ 5 itu biasanya kena accident :big_bored:

tapi ya mungkin mayoritas yang kena EV2X yang ud ada umur soalnya emang musuhnya itu karat mau di bikin waterproof kalo dah rusak kena kondisi cuaca bisa aja bocor...... :big_bored:

tappi itu di news bilang biangnya ya korosi nah ini yang saya bilang hati2x hajar banjir hari ini gpp tapi gak tau taon2x kedepan efek sampingnya bisa kumat gara2x korosi, orang jazz aja kena tuh dinamo stater padahal terakhir nerabas juga berapa taon lalu pas di buka ternyata dinamonya isinya ud karat semua tapi bagusnya masih bisa di service jd gak ganti :big_bored:

sama hati2x kalo ud korosi nanti ada aja aer nemu jalan masuk ke sistem batre yang harusnya waterproof baru tau si blakangan ternyata kena aer malah mbleduk bukanya konslet terus mati :big_bored:
Naaa kalo ini kan = bisnis, jasa inspeksi power pack setelah banjir, termasuk cuci interior… :big_peace: :big_peace: :big_peace: … Iklannya inspeksi sekarang dari pada mbledug tahun depan….. :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh……

Kalo kabel2nya sekilas sih rapet, lagian kan ndak ada panas mesin jd ndak gampang getas. Kata orang beres material isolatornya plastik PVC biasa, beda ama yg ke Murican. Yg ke Murican demi lingkungan pake bahan biodegradable dari kedelai, jadi kl rumah di pingin hutan jd tempat arisan bajing…. :big_bored: :big_bored: :big_bored:….

Kalo pack rasa2nya yg perlu dicek kayaknya malah tutup atasnya, bener dipasang sealing, cuma itu kotak batere kan semi jadi struktural, kalo bawanya racing terus kan bodynya sering flexing, kumulatif kan lama2 bisa geser sealingnya, jd logikanya 5-6 taun mending turun batere cek sealing scr visual
, ndak repot juga mestinya, kayaknya jam kerja turun batere paling cuma 2-3 jam atau kurang…..
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Bibieight wrote: Fri Oct 07, 2022 5:00
Naaa kalo ini kan = bisnis, jasa inspeksi power pack setelah banjir, termasuk cuci interior… :big_peace: :big_peace: :big_peace: … Iklannya inspeksi sekarang dari pada mbledug tahun depan….. :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh……

Kalo kabel2nya sekilas sih rapet, lagian kan ndak ada panas mesin jd ndak gampang getas. Kata orang beres material isolatornya plastik PVC biasa, beda ama yg ke Murican. Yg ke Murican demi lingkungan pake bahan biodegradable dari kedelai, jadi kl rumah di pingin hutan jd tempat arisan bajing…. :big_bored: :big_bored: :big_bored:….

Kalo pack rasa2nya yg perlu dicek kayaknya malah tutup atasnya, bener dipasang sealing, cuma itu kotak batere kan semi jadi struktural, kalo bawanya racing terus kan bodynya sering flexing, kumulatif kan lama2 bisa geser sealingnya, jd logikanya 5-6 taun mending turun batere cek sealing scr visual
, ndak repot juga mestinya, kayaknya jam kerja turun batere paling cuma 2-3 jam atau kurang…..
ribet kan om ujung2xnya cuma bisnis doank nyari duit tapi yang susah orang banyak...... :big_bored:

kalo natural selection keliatannya mereka ud tau gak bisa ngalahin mesin combustion apalagi diesel sebagai barang logistik kalo cuma musnahin diesel buat mobil kota sih gampang sekali...... :big_bored:

lagian kalo emang niatnya green kenapa harus fokus sama RND batre ud tau batre itu nyimpen plasma mau diapain ud pasti kebakaran, ibaratnya mau bikin bensin gak boleh kebakar tapi naronya di tengah api gimana caranya :big_bored:
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HATI2X DAH.............. banyak mudratnya di banding bagusnya....... :ngacir:
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b0ku wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:45

HATI2X DAH.............. banyak mudratnya di banding bagusnya....... :ngacir:
Resiko jadi early adopter
Tapi mereka lah yg bantu product improvement :big_peace:
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Oleh-oleh foto dan cuci mata saat liat pameran Forklift, EV, dan Logistik di Kemayoran JI Expo - Kamis, 6 Oktober lalu:

ARROW - (Yes this is the same company that sponsoring McLaren F1 & IndyCar Team - US Based Company - kayak Bhineka.com tapi khusus jualan EV part stuff).
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Yang ditengah itu BCM (Battery Control Module).

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Exicom - (India based company - Battery Charger Port Station Producer)
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DC Charging station seperti ini starting from 3xx mio (estimasi)
Sempet tanya apa yang perlu diperhatikan kalau mau pasang charging port begini ada dua poin penting:
- Grounding kelistrikan mesti baik dan stabil (biar voltase pengisian nya stabil tidak naik turun).
- Penangkal petir (biar kalau ada sambaran petir tidak korslet pastinya).

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BYD - (Build Your Dreams - Forklift - RRT)
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Cuman foto aja kgk tanya-tanya.

Tapi pas main ke booth TCM - kisaran forklift listrik lebih mahal 100 jt an dibandingkan yang setara tapi masih Internal Combustion Engine.
+ Bebas asap polusi, cocok apabila di warehousing indoor.
+ Maintenance forklift listrik lebih simpel.
- Butuh ritual pendinginan baterai dulu sebelum dicharge (kalau mau awet).
- Apabila sudah waktunya ganti baterai mahal.

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Toyota Forklift History & Toyota Electric Forklift Control Management.
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Cuman foto saja, tidak tanya-tanya.

Rata-rata Forklift baru baik ICE atau Electric warranty hanya 1 tahun atau 1.000 engine hour saja (CMIIW)

#BukanSalesSparepartEV
#BukanSalesForklift
#BukanAjakanMembeli
#JustSharing
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arfs wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 7:50 Toyota Forklift History & Toyota Electric Forklift Control Management.

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Cuman foto saja, tidak tanya-tanya.

Rata-rata Forklift baru baik ICE atau Electric warranty hanya 1 tahun atau 1.000 engine hour saja (CMIIW)

#BukanSalesSparepartEV
#BukanSalesForklift
#BukanAjakanMembeli
#JustSharing
:big_peace:

biasanya kalo user gak mebutuhkan requirment atau gudangnya jorok mereka lebih milih combustion om listrik itu boss mertua saya aja mencak2x pas disuruh ganti batre 50jt akhirnya dijual ke madura :wkkk:

ini barang sih ud produk lama :mky_03:

saya pernah liat berapa taun lalu liat di gudang di sudut gudang di jejerin tuh batre nya keknya merka ngegilir batre mana kalo mau masang keknya pake forklift juga batrenya soalnya gede banget

ud lebih mahal 100jt plus beli batre lagi buat cadangan biar bisa kerja terus biasanya yang kek gini yang gudangnya harus bersih
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arfs wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 7:50 Toyota Forklift History & Toyota Electric Forklift Control Management.

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Cuman foto saja, tidak tanya-tanya.

Rata-rata Forklift baru baik ICE atau Electric warranty hanya 1 tahun atau 1.000 engine hour saja (CMIIW)

#BukanSalesSparepartEV
#BukanSalesForklift
#BukanAjakanMembeli
#JustSharing
:big_peace:
Lupa sy kl ada pameran ini.... ndak ada yg jual set : battery module+BMS+power relay assembly ya ?, sukur2 battery modulnya dah liquid cooled.... Kalo mau konversi kan mestinya lebih aman gini drpd beli ngeteng ya ?....
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Suryaputra wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 6:59
Resiko jadi early adopter
Tapi mereka lah yg bantu product improvement :big_peace:
ganti plastik gampang pecah pake alumunium gampang karat pake besi tambah berat pake karbon mahal.......... :big_biglaugh:

ganti aja pake diesel terus setrum motor listrik kayak kapal2x cruise mewah :big_grin:
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Bibieight wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:16 yg jual set : battery module+BMS+power relay assembly ya ?, sukur2 battery modulnya dah liquid cooled.... Kalo mau konversi kan mestinya lebih aman gini drpd beli ngeteng ya ?....
Yang toyota forklift ini atau Arrow?
Kalau Arrow coba saja buka www.arrow.com
Kalau mau konsultasi bisa juga, kemarin saya dikasi business card engineer yang jelasin sekilas product nya ke saya.
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Turboman wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:44
banglontong wrote:wah kalo batre yang udah berat aja mau disubmerge ke mineral oil, mau berapa berat itu satu set batre nanti
EV EV yg skg pun rata2 Liquid cooled utk batere nya

cuman pake Coolant yg utk Radiator

sekaligus dinginin inverter & Elec Motor

maka itu di depan ada radiator & Elec Fan

tapi yg saya bingung, rata2 gak pake Grill bolong

padahal ada Kondensor AC & Radiator yg butuh aliran angin dr depan

aneh tuh pabrikan2 mobil

ha ha ha
grill bolong sengaja ditutup biar kelihatan SAH sebagai mobil EV.
seolah olah penegasan, nih tengok gue.gak perlu hebusan angin dari depan karena gue EV yg cool, dan green... :mky_07: :mky_07:
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ginting wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 13:00
Turboman wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:44
banglontong wrote:wah kalo batre yang udah berat aja mau disubmerge ke mineral oil, mau berapa berat itu satu set batre nanti
EV EV yg skg pun rata2 Liquid cooled utk batere nya

cuman pake Coolant yg utk Radiator

sekaligus dinginin inverter & Elec Motor

maka itu di depan ada radiator & Elec Fan

tapi yg saya bingung, rata2 gak pake Grill bolong

padahal ada Kondensor AC & Radiator yg butuh aliran angin dr depan

aneh tuh pabrikan2 mobil

ha ha ha
grill bolong sengaja ditutup biar kelihatan SAH sebagai mobil EV.
seolah olah penegasan, nih tengok gue.gak perlu hebusan angin dari depan karena gue EV yg cool, dan green... :mky_07: :mky_07:
ya karena mobil listrik tidak butuh airflow sebanyak mesin bbm. Kalau mesin dengan bbm, ketika idle menghasilkan panas tinggi, karena mesin jalan terus.
Kalau mobil listrik, ketika berhenti, motor listrik nya juga berhenti bekerja.
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ginting wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 13:00
grill bolong sengaja ditutup biar kelihatan SAH sebagai mobil EV.
seolah olah penegasan, nih tengok gue.gak perlu hebusan angin dari depan karena gue EV yg cool, dan green... :mky_07: :mky_07:
green juga HOAX lebih ke mobil kejar setoran dari baru aja kita kudu nyetir 110.000km baru carbon break even dari mobil bensin ntar baru 110.000 eh ganti batre ke reset lagii sama aja boong maliiiii :big_bored:

mobil SCAM kelas dunia fire hazard pula tinggal tunggu waktu bakalan jd skandal besar tinggal liat aja siapa yang berani expose gede2xan :big_biglaugh:

kalo dah jd kasus gw yakin itu greeen2x organisation bisa keseret2x soalnya mereka juga yang ngepush :big_biglaugh:
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There is no such thing, of course as a zero emissions vehicle.
The real question is, where are the emissons associated with the electric car?
Because what you do with an electric vehicle is you don't eliminate emissions.
You export them somewhere else. You have to dig up about 500,00 lb of materials
to make a single 1000 lb battery. It take 100 to 300 barrles of oil to manufacture
a battery that can hold 1 barrel of oil equivalent of energy. Just manufacturing the battery
Can have a carbon debt rate ranging from 10 tons to 40 tons of CO2. And the plans that are in place
to increase the use of batteries will require an increase in production of minerals like Lithium, Cobalt, Zinc
Demand for those minerals will increase between 400% and 4,000%. There isn't enough mining in the world to make enough batteries
for that many people for their cars.
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arfs wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 15:12
There is no such thing, of course as a zero emissions vehicle.
The real question is, where are the emissons associated with the electric car?
Because what you do with an electric vehicle is you don't eliminate emissions.
You export them somewhere else. You have to dig up about 500,00 lb of materials
to make a single 1000 lb battery. It take 100 to 300 barrles of oil to manufacture
a battery that can hold 1 barrel of oil equivalent of energy. Just manufacturing the battery
Can have a carbon debt rate ranging from 10 tons to 40 tons of CO2. And the plans that are in place
to increase the use of batteries will require an increase in production of minerals like Lithium, Cobalt, Zinc
Demand for those minerals will increase between 400% and 4,000%. There isn't enough mining in the world to make enough batteries
for that many people for their cars.
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Melindungi bumi dengan merusak bagian bumi lainnya terlebih dahulu :big_dunno:
dan ironisnya lama2x kelakuan mereka ud kayak agama kalo bule2x ngejeknya GREEN CULT....... karena emang ud kayak sekte orang gila apa2x green tapi produk green yang mereka puja2x itu sebenernya buang2x resouces dan hasilnya gak sebanding dan gak cocok buat kaum dompet tipis bener2x manusia2x egois........ :big_dunno:

lama2x orang kayak gitu nanti nyembah lithium......:ngacir:
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Re: Teknik Immersion cooling utk Batere EV

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b0ku wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:07 dan ironisnya lama2x kelakuan mereka ud kayak agama kalo bule2x ngejeknya GREEN CULT....... karena emang ud kayak sekte orang gila apa2x green tapi produk green yang mereka puja2x itu sebenernya buang2x resouces dan hasilnya gak sebanding dan gak cocok buat kaum dompet tipis bener2x manusia2x egois........ :big_dunno:

lama2x orang kayak gitu nanti nyembah lithium......:ngacir:
KKK versi green cult nya :big_biglaugh:
“I don’t want to be preached to about cars by someone who doesn’t even know how to drive.” - Hiromu Naruse (TMC Master Test Driver) to Akio Toyoda, 2000.