Irreasonable harga Innova Baru - PART 01

[Risol1]

- Dimana kita bisa justifikasi orang bayar kemahalan kalo ambil innova dibanding GL?
1. harga lbh mahal
2. lbh boros (klo lbh irit mah gpp, ada justifikasinya)
3. lbh minim safety (klo lbh safe sih gpp)
itu namanya apa? :

ya itukan kriteria anda yg subjektif. kalo anda lagi pengen beli mobil silakan pake kriteria tsb, gak ada yg larang.

Kalo ada orang lain yg bilang saya suka innova karena:
1. bodi lebih gede
2. mesin lebih gede
3. bengkel dan ketersediaan parts di daerah saya lebih banyak
4. bisa bawa beban lebih berat (lebih banyak) karena mao dipake sekalian buat dagang

kalo kriteria spt ini boleh juga dong???

Masa cuma kriteria irit doang yg boleh naik harga?, masa cuma fitur airbag doang yg boleh naik harga??
Masa bodi lebih gede, mesin lebih gede, mobil lebih kuat bawa barang, investasi toyota di beres2 dan partsnya gak boleh dihargai?

Masa kalo orang yg perlu bodi lebih gede atau orang yg pengen beresnya deket harus dirubah mindsetnya?

yg blg "bodoh" sapa? fitnes lg ni org
mindsetnya hrs diubah krn gw anggap dia kekurangan/salah informasi, menganggap merk laen "kalah kelas" dibanding T (hr gene....)

"kekurangan informasi" itu kan cuma bahasa halusnya dari bodoh.
"kurang pendidikan", "kurang pengetahuan" kan semuanya sama aja, anda cuma males ngaku aja hehehe....

kalo anda yakin mindset orang perlu dirubah kan artinya anda yakin orang itu salah dong? (karena salah makanya perlu dirubah, ya gak?)
Padahal cuma masalah selera, bukan masalah prinsip yg dasar.

Misalnya:
kalo ane liat orang males kerja dan akhirnya mencuri roti buat makan, bolehlah ane bilang eh mindset kamu perlu dirubah tuh (besok2 nyari kerja biar bisa BELI makanan, jadi engga perlu mencuri lagi).
Tapi kalo ada orang bilang Sol, ane suka warna biru, gak suka kuning.....ya gak papa. Ane gak harus merubah selera dia ke kuning hanya karena ane suka kuning (atau menurut ane kuning paling bagus).

udah kaya diktator aja hehehe....

mungkin kalo bro Captivated jadi presiden, disini cuma dijual 1 merek mobil, 1 merek bensin, 1 merek baju, dll....yg menurut anda paling bagus. hehehe

[Risol1]

Nggak tuh, M-90 juga sama aja pendapatnya...klonengan juga? Malah si Risol satupun gak punya Toyota, mobilnya Nissan, BMW, Jaguar.

hehehe, sekarang ane dah ngga ada Jag bro, jag udah diganti ke BMW.
sekarang ane ada harrier (RX350) model jadul tahun 08 (beli thn 07)

[Captivated]

yg kasus 2008, gmn tu analisanya master?

Analisa manusia bisa benar bisa salah Kalau analisanya terbukti salah...harga berubah lagi. Kalau terbukti bener, harga akan sesuai dengan analisa semula. Nggak ngerti juga?

loh kok bisa salah bisa bener? 2008 tu 3thn lalu loh, peristiwanya udh terjadi...
jd analisanya "bener" ato "salah" ni master?
berhubungan erat dgn S-D yak?

[FortunerMan]

Setelah terjadi atau tidak terjadi, harga akan terkoreksi kembali. Analisanya bener tentang kemungkinan naik turunnya supply/demand..pasti gak ngerti juga

[Risol1]

Ini forum, bukan e-mail. Semua orang boleh komen

Hehehe....ya wajarlah.....beli mobil aja harus sesuai kriteria captivated. Komen di forum ini jangan2 harus minta ijin dulu sama dia lagi?
kalo sesuai kriterianya baru boleh komen hehehehe....

[FortunerMan]

Ini forum, bukan e-mail. Semua orang boleh komen

Hehehe....ya wajarlah.....beli mobil aja harus sesuai kriteria captivated. Komen di forum ini jangan2 harus minta ijin dulu sama dia lagi?
kalo sesuai kriterianya baru boleh komen hehehehe....

Orang komen di forum dibilang caper. Org Indonesia beli mobil yg dia gak suka dibilang kurang informasi...bener2 satu aliran udah ama toyotaman

[Risol1]

Yang bilang 2% salah siapa? Ente yg ngetawain (pake ) dikasitau Libya salah satu produsen terbesar.

terima kasih sdh memberikan pelajaran hr ini

"Libya salah satu produsen terbesar minyak"
buktinya? no. urut 17, dgn produksi 2%


ane ga perlu psg icon "ketawa"

iya sih karena diluar 10 besar jadi engga dianggep ya? oilnya libya gak pengaruh ke harga minyak ya berarti?

dah ah....besok lanjut lagi bro....

[evolution21]

Setelah terjadi atau tidak terjadi, harga akan terkoreksi kembali.

saatnya cari duit

[ZombiEE]

Mungkin ada kesalah pahaman ya?:)..peace all...

[Captivated]

Masa kalo orang yg perlu bodi lebih gede atau orang yg pengen beresnya deket harus dirubah mindsetnya?

yg blg "bodoh" sapa? fitnes lg ni org
mindsetnya hrs diubah krn gw anggap dia kekurangan/salah informasi, menganggap merk laen "kalah kelas" dibanding T (hr gene....)

"kekurangan informasi" itu kan cuma bahasa halusnya dari bodoh.
"kurang pendidikan", "kurang pengetahuan" kan semuanya sama aja, anda cuma males ngaku aja hehehe....

kalo anda yakin mindset orang perlu dirubah kan artinya anda yakin orang itu salah dong? (karena salah makanya perlu dirubah, ya gak?)
Padahal cuma masalah selera, bukan masalah prinsip yg dasar.

wah ilmu baru lg ni
"kekurangan informasi" = "kurang pendidikan" = BODOH

thx utk ilmunya

[FortunerMan]

Ya bener...soalnya informasi sudah jelas dan tersedia, mobilnya udah sering kita semua liat di jalanan, bebas ubek2. Siapa yg gak tau Innova/GL? Ada yg nutup2in? Informasi sudah jelas pun...org masih beli Innova dengan jumlah jauh lebih banyak...makna yg tersirat = anda bilang orang Indonesia bodoh.

Kalo kaya di Korea Utara, sumber berita satu...internet sensoran semua, semua tertutup....itu "kurang informasi" yg tanpa makna lain...emang gak tersedia informasinya.

[Captivated]

Dimana dari comment ane diatas yg bilang bahwa kalo compare mobil harus mobil yg sama persis?

Ane cuma bilang gak bisa kita bilang kemahalan kalo mobilnya beda. kalo mobilnya sama dan anda beli 100 jt, tapi ane belinya 150 jt, anda boleh bilang "Sol ente beli mobil kemahalan, ane beli mobil yg sama cuma 100jt" gitu kan?

Bingung dimana kurang jelasnya omongan ane sampe diplintir gitu hehehe.....

bisa dan biasa dilakukan. namanya komparasi mah sah2 aja
ga cm di mbl... di bidang2 laen (elektronik, makanan, jasa, dll) jg berlaku

ini malah lbh "jauh"...

I prefer the cheaper Fiat 500 because I prefer the looks, but, of course, that’ll be less reliable. Either way, these cars are the future. Small. Cheap to run. Good-looking. And surprisingly well kitted out with toys. They really do make Mondeos and Volvos and so on look awfully wasteful and unnecessary.

ini bukan kt ane, tp kt Jeremy Clarkson waktu review Toyota iQ

[Captivated]

Setelah terjadi atau tidak terjadi, harga akan terkoreksi kembali.

wah... master kok jd plintat plintut kyk kentut bgtu...

Analisanya bener tentang kemungkinan naik turunnya supply/demand..pasti gak ngerti juga

oh jd 2008 itu sangat dipengaruhi S-D yak?
berapa supply n brp demand waktu itu master?

[FortunerMan]

Dimana dari comment ane diatas yg bilang bahwa kalo compare mobil harus mobil yg sama persis?

Ane cuma bilang gak bisa kita bilang kemahalan kalo mobilnya beda. kalo mobilnya sama dan anda beli 100 jt, tapi ane belinya 150 jt, anda boleh bilang "Sol ente beli mobil kemahalan, ane beli mobil yg sama cuma 100jt" gitu kan?

Bingung dimana kurang jelasnya omongan ane sampe diplintir gitu hehehe.....

bisa dan biasa dilakukan. namanya komparasi mah sah2 aja
ga cm di mbl... di bidang2 laen (elektronik, makanan, jasa, dll) jg berlaku

ini malah lbh "jauh"...

I prefer the cheaper Fiat 500 because I prefer the looks, but, of course, that’ll be less reliable. Either way, these cars are the future. Small. Cheap to run. Good-looking. And surprisingly well kitted out with toys. They really do make Mondeos and Volvos and so on look awfully wasteful and unnecessary.

ini bukan kt ane, tp kt Jeremy Clarkson waktu review Toyota iQ

Untuk ke seratus kalinya...maksud si Risol A, ditangkepnya Z

[FortunerMan]

Setelah terjadi atau tidak terjadi, harga akan terkoreksi kembali.

wah... master kok jd plintat plintut kyk kentut bgtu...

Analisanya bener tentang kemungkinan naik turunnya supply/demand..pasti gak ngerti juga

oh jd 2008 itu sangat dipengaruhi S-D yak?
berapa supply n brp demand waktu itu master?

Itu namanya ente gak bisa baca yg bener, bukan plin plan

[Captivated]

ayo master... turunkan ilmumu
berapa supply n brp demand waktu itu master?

[FortunerMan]

I prefer the cheaper Fiat 500 because I prefer the looks, but, of course, that’ll be less reliable. Either way, these cars are the future. Small. Cheap to run. Good-looking. And surprisingly well kitted out with toys. They really do make Mondeos and Volvos and so on look awfully wasteful and unnecessary.

ini bukan kt ane, tp kt Jeremy Clarkson waktu review Toyota iQ

Nah...Jeremy Clarkson condong berat ke tampang, dia pilih Fiat 500. Kalo org yg doyan reliability, pilih Toyota IQ. Ngerti kan kriteria orang bisa beda2?

[FortunerMan]

ayo master... turunkan ilmumu
berapa supply n brp demand waktu itu master?

Apa pengaruhnya ke poin anda mau saya bilang supply 100 demand 200...apa pengaruhnya...silahkan

[Captivated]

ternyata oh ternyata... master ga tau jg

ane kuciwa... ternyata master ga bs membuktikan bhwa S-D selalu berlaku di dunia dagang (apalg 'futures')


ckckckck... sotoynya kumat lg ternyata

[FortunerMan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_ener ... ble_causes

Naik karena:

From the mid-1980s to September 2003, the inflation-adjusted price of a barrel of crude oil on NYMEX was generally under $25/barrel. During 2003, the price rose above $30, reached $60 by August 11, 2005, and peaked at $147.30 in July 2008. Commentators attributed these price increases to many factors, including reports from the United States Department of Energy and others showing a decline in petroleum reserves, worries over peak oil, Middle East tension, and oil price speculation.

peak oil ==> supply
middle east tension ==> supply
decline in petroleum reserves ==> supply
China ==> demand
Populasi dunia naik dan makin "bermobil" ==> demand

Turun lagi karena:
Resesi ekonomi global ==> demand turun

By 2008, such pressures appeared to have an insignificant impact on oil prices given the onset of the global recession. The recession caused demand for energy to shrink in late 2008, with oil prices falling from the July 2008 high of $147 to a December 2008 low of $32. Oil prices stabilized by October 2009 and established a trading range between $60 and $80.

Apanya yg bukan supply and demand? Jangan bilang org sok tau kalo belum tau apa2

[Captivated]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_ener ... ble_causes

Apanya yg bukan supply and demand? Jangan bilang org sok tau kalo belum tau apa2

worries over peak oil, Middle East tension, and oil price speculation.

bener2 S-D master!!!

[FortunerMan]

ternyata oh ternyata... master ga tau jg

ane kuciwa... ternyata master ga bs membuktikan bhwa S-D selalu berlaku di dunia dagang (apalg 'futures')

ckckckck... sotoynya kumat lg ternyata

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_of_petroleum

The U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) announced "Multiple Energy Market Initiatives" on May 29, 2008. Part 1 is "Expanded International Surveillance Information for Crude Oil Trading." The CFTC announcement stated it has joined with the United Kingdom Financial Services Authority and ICE Futures Europe in order to expand surveillance and information sharing of various futures contracts. This announcement has received wide coverage in the financial press, with speculation about oil futures price manipulation.

The interim report by the Interagency Task Force, released in July, found that speculation had not caused significant changes in oil prices and that fundamental supply and demand factors provide the best explanation for the crude oil price increases. The report found that the primary reason for the price increases was that the world economy had expanded at its fastest pace in decades, resulting in substantial increases in the demand for oil, while the oil production grew sluggishly, compounded by production shortfalls in oil-exporting countries.

The report stated that as a result of the imbalance and low price elasticity, very large price increases occurred as the market attempted to balance scarce supply against growing demand, particularly in the last three years. The report forecast that this imbalance would persist in the future, leading to continued upward pressure on oil prices, and that large or rapid movements in oil prices are likely to occur even in the absence of activity by speculators. The task force was continues to analyze commodity markets and intends to issue further findings later in the year.

Bisa baca kan? tuh...sup......plyyyyyy....deeeeeeeeeee...maaaaaaaaaaannnddddd Ayo baca lagi ulang.... sup?...plyyyyyy....deeeee? maaaaaaandddd

[Captivated]

dr link yg sama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_ener ... ble_causes

Investment demand

Investment demand for oil occurs when investors purchase futures contracts to buy a commodity at a set price for future delivery. "Speculators are not buying any actual crude. ... When [the] contracts mature, they either settle them with a cash payment or sell them on to genuine consumers."[48]

Several claims have been made implicating financial speculation as a major cause of the price increases. In May 2008 the transport chief for Germany's Social Democrats estimated that 25 percent of the rise to $135 a barrel had nothing to do with underlying supply and demand

bener2 S-D master...
ane salut ama ilmu master.... sujud sungkem mbah

[FortunerMan]

Baca lagi...sudah digarisbawahi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_of_petroleum

The U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) announced "Multiple Energy Market Initiatives" on May 29, 2008. Part 1 is "Expanded International Surveillance Information for Crude Oil Trading." The CFTC announcement stated it has joined with the United Kingdom Financial Services Authority and ICE Futures Europe in order to expand surveillance and information sharing of various futures contracts. This announcement has received wide coverage in the financial press, with speculation about oil futures price manipulation.

The interim report by the Interagency Task Force, released in July, found that speculation had not caused significant changes in oil prices and that fundamental supply and demand factors provide the best explanation for the crude oil price increases. The report found that the primary reason for the price increases was that the world economy had expanded at its fastest pace in decades, resulting in substantial increases in the demand for oil, while the oil production grew sluggishly, compounded by production shortfalls in oil-exporting countries.

The report stated that as a result of the imbalance and low price elasticity, very large price increases occurred as the market attempted to balance scarce supply against growing demand, particularly in the last three years. The report forecast that this imbalance would persist in the future, leading to continued upward pressure on oil prices, and that large or rapid movements in oil prices are likely to occur even in the absence of activity by speculators. The task force was continues to analyze commodity markets and intends to issue further findings later in the year.

Bisa baca kan? tuh...sup......plyyyyyy....deeeeeeeeeee...maaaaaaaaaaannnddddd Ayo baca lagi ulang.... sup?...plyyyyyy....deeeee? maaaaaaandddd

[Captivated]

In June 2008, OPEC's Secretary General Abdullah al-Badri stated that current world consumption of oil at 87 million bpd was far exceeded by the "paper market" for oil, which equals about 1.36 billion bpd, or more than 15 times the actual market demand.

In June 2008 U.S. energy secretary Samuel Bodman had said that insufficient oil production, not financial speculation, was driving rising crude prices. He said that oil production has not kept pace with growing demand. "In the absence of any additional crude supply, for every 1% of crude demand, we will expect a 20% increase in price in order to balance the market," Bodman said. This contradicts earlier statements by Iranian OPEC governor Mohammad-Ali Khatibi indicating that the oil market is saturated and that an increase in production announced by Saudi Arabia was "wrong". OPEC itself had also previously stated that the oil market was well supplied and that high prices were a result of speculation and a weak U.S. dollar.

In September 2008, a study of the oil market by Masters Capital Management was released which claimed that speculation did significantly impact the market. The study stated that over $60 billion was invested in oil during the first 6 months of 2008, helping drive the price per barrel from $95 to $147 per barrel, and that by the beginning of September, $39 billion had been withdrawn by speculators, causing prices to fall.

mknya Lehman Brothers msh ada skrg toh? eh... salah yak?
byk perusahaan gede yg gulung tikar waktu itu krn apa yak?

bener2 S-D master...
ane salut ama ilmu master.... sujud sungkem mbah