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RHD tapi arah wiper tetep ala LHD itu CIRI KHAS mobil Amrik di Indo jaman dulu om. :) Beda ama Eropa let's say W201 Indo RHD, arah wipernya juga normal ala RHD (padahal status W201 Indo semuanya CBU).

Sampe jaman CJ-7 awal2 80an hal itu masih terjadi. IMHO malah keren hehehe walau kalo untuk CJ-7 karena wipernya 'ngaceng' gitu posisinya cukup mengganggu bagi yang gak biasa karena ngacengnya tepat di posisi sopir hehehe........

Kusus untuk CJ-7, sepemantauan ane kasusnya kok acak yak? Ada yang taun 79 akir-80an awal tapi wiper udah normal RHD. Ada yang masih ala LHD. Auk ah.........

Setelah '81 keknya CJ-7 uda normal semua wiper ala RHD.

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dieselkiki wrote: om enji ma pak turbo ato siapa saja. jawab dunk knapa pemilihan mesinnya buat muscle car adalah v8 knapa bukan yg lain ? apa keuntungannya di banding konfigurasi mesin yg lain ?
ane gak paham, tapi soal jumlah silinder itu kan sesuai kebutuhan aja, juga pertimbangan efektivitas / efisiensi & cost

kalo mesin2 Heavy Duty Diesel biar CC gede2 tapi jumlah silinder gak banyak, mesin Dodge Cummins 5.9 yg legendaris aja L-6

kalo silinder makin banyak biasanya makin halus, tapi production cost-nya juga makin gede, more spark plug / more valve / more piston & rings, etc.

Kalo kendaraan penumpang umumnya rentang mesin V8 itu antara 3800 - 5700 cc (biasanya yah), mo mesin bikinan mana, Gasoline / Diesel, di bawah 4000 cc hanya bbrp spt BMW pernah bikin 3.5 V8 dan R Rover TDI V8 - 3.8 (atau 3.6 yah)

V8 besar spt Corvette 5700 cc V8

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Kalo kendaraan penumpang umumnya rentang mesin V8 itu antara 3800 - 5700 cc (biasanya yah), mo mesin bikinan mana, Gasoline / Diesel, di bawah 4000 cc hanya bbrp spt BMW pernah bikin 3.5 V8 dan R Rover TDI V8 - 3.8 (atau 3.6 yah)

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Langsung buka kalkulator. Mesin Mustang vintage yang V8 di rentang 260 CID sampe 429 CID, lengkapnya 260, 289, 302, 351, 390, 427, 428, 429.

260 CID x 16,387 = 4.261 CC, berarti bukan mesin Mustang yang dimaksud om Turbo yang 'kecil' di kapasitas di bawah 4 liter hehehehe............
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kalo sepengamatan ane, yang kecil itu biasanya di bawah 500cc per silinder. kalo yang besar di atas 700cc per silinder.
bmw rasanya pernah bikin V8 3000cc.
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reinhard_harley wrote: mobil apa tuh om turboman? bs sampe 120 dgn jarak sependek itu?
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Coronet Superbee '70? Oranye? Dibangun di Jaksel? Sounds familier.... :)
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maskopat wrote:kalo sepengamatan ane, yang kecil itu biasanya di bawah 500cc per silinder. kalo yang besar di atas 700cc per silinder.
bmw rasanya pernah bikin V8 3000cc.
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bang gay... di film drive angry banyak tuh mobil2 ginian... apa aja ya??
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Berarti, intinya muscle car itu benernya mobil biasa tapi dibikin berotot ya, alias bukan berangkat dari basis mobil bertenaga dan berkecepatan super kan?

Seperti pengamsalan bro NG, mobil2 yang jadi muscle car, basisnya kayak Toyota Vios, honda City, Mazda2, Sijuki Baenol, tapi disuntik steroid mesin2 super? Apakah mobil2 pony itu aslinya juga V8 lants dimodif, atau aslinya bukan konfig V8 trus swap engine?

Kenapa mobil sedan jepangan jarang dibikin ber-muscle ria begitu yak? Rata2, mobil jepangan di-swap engine dengan konfigurasi sejenis (inline 4) tapi hanya ngejar spek tipe hi rev..

Apa sudah pernah ada, misalnya Corolla dicekoki mesin V? Kalo belum ada, apa karena ruang mesinnya terlalu imut?

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VanzMatic wrote:Berarti, intinya muscle car itu benernya mobil biasa tapi dibikin berotot ya, alias bukan berangkat dari basis mobil bertenaga dan berkecepatan super kan?

Seperti pengamsalan bro NG, mobil2 yang jadi muscle car, basisnya kayak Toyota Vios, honda City, Mazda2, Sijuki Baenol, tapi disuntik steroid mesin2 super? Apakah mobil2 pony itu aslinya juga V8 lants dimodif, atau aslinya bukan konfig V8 trus swap engine?

Kenapa mobil sedan jepangan jarang dibikin ber-muscle ria begitu yak? Rata2, mobil jepangan di-swap engine dengan konfigurasi sejenis (inline 4) tapi hanya ngejar spek tipe hi rev..

Apa sudah pernah ada, misalnya Corolla dicekoki mesin V? Kalo belum ada, apa karena ruang mesinnya terlalu imut?

Thanx in advance, broder!!!
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udah ada koq mobil jepang yang kompak dibikin berotot dan gak bisa dibilang sedikit juga... tapi bukan dengan nambah silinder, tapi dengan menggunakan turbo. contohnya colt ralliart, lancer ralliart, lancer evolution, galant VR4.. basisnya mobil biasa juga koq..
ada juga dengan menaikkan kompresi dan mempercepat putaran mesin seperti civic type R.

di eropa juga ada. seperti bmw M3, mercedes C63 AMG..
malah nilai plus mobil eropa dan jepang dibanding muscle car amrik, mobil eropa dan jepang bisa belok, sedangkan muscle car susah belok... :big_weee:
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om kopat bisa aja.. :wkkk: :wkkk: :wkkk: mobil kesayangan bang gay dikira apa ga bisa belok... :wkkk: :wkkk:

bapake... ada tuh kijang super pake UZ... 4.0L V8.... di majalah apa gitu..
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om ak4ng, maksud om bapake itu yang dijual umum oleh produsen bukan hasil modifikasi....
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oh iyah ya... kl dalam kondisi estede mah jelas mitsu jawaranya... hiu buat rakyat jelata yg pengen ngebut pake 6A13.. buat yg punya duit lebih pake 6A13TT... nissan juga gitu kan? SR and RB series.... dari toyota cuma 1JZ and 2JZ doank ya yg ada versi TT nya...
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Jadiii, muscle car muscle car tu dibikin berotot langsung (dibikin paket modif langsung) oleh pabrikannya?? Bukan by user??
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VanzMatic wrote:Jadiii, muscle car muscle car tu dibikin berotot langsung (dibikin paket modif langsung) oleh pabrikannya?? Bukan by user??
setahu ane sih gitu om...

tapi sedikit diluruskan tentang mobil berotot rasa jepang, untuk mitsubishi jarang yang kupe. kebanyakan 4 pintu...
nah, definisi muscle car ini kan basisnya mobil sedan biasa 4 pintu dibikin jadi model kupe tapi dengan mesin V8..
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maskopat wrote:
VanzMatic wrote:Jadiii, muscle car muscle car tu dibikin berotot langsung (dibikin paket modif langsung) oleh pabrikannya?? Bukan by user??
setahu ane sih gitu om...

tapi sedikit diluruskan tentang mobil berotot rasa jepang, untuk mitsubishi jarang yang kupe. kebanyakan 4 pintu...
nah, definisi muscle car ini kan basisnya mobil sedan biasa 4 pintu dibikin jadi model kupe tapi dengan mesin V8..
mitsu GTO om kopat... gmn?? kupe juga tp V6 kl g salah... 6G72TT
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VanzMatic wrote:Berarti, intinya muscle car itu benernya mobil biasa tapi dibikin berotot ya, alias bukan berangkat dari basis mobil bertenaga dan berkecepatan super kan?

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Apakah mobil2 pony itu aslinya juga V8 lants dimodif, atau aslinya bukan konfig V8 trus swap engine?
Gini om, muscle cars itu selalu V8, uda konsensus bersama.

Pada beberapa tipe muscle cars, semisal Mustang dan Chevelle, tipe entry levelnya ada yang enjin inline six. Bodi doank yang muscle, persis ama sodaranya yang V8, tapi si I6 jelas gak layak didefinisikan sebagai muscles.

Terminologi 'muscle cars' sendiri MEMANG SELALU ada di wilayah abu2, multi-tafsir dan multi-perspektif, om.

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VanzMatic wrote:Kenapa mobil sedan jepangan jarang dibikin ber-muscle ria begitu yak? Rata2, mobil jepangan di-swap engine dengan konfigurasi sejenis (inline 4) tapi hanya ngejar spek tipe hi rev..

Apa sudah pernah ada, misalnya Corolla dicekoki mesin V? Kalo belum ada, apa karena ruang mesinnya terlalu imut?

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Kenapa muscle cars dimulai di USA, dan diakhiri juga di USA?

Bahas muscles kudu komprehensif bro, ini mau gak mau ngebahas sosiologis-kultural orang Amrik di masa itu. Singkatnya, jaman 50-60an Amrik lagi makmur2nya. Happy life. The bigger the better adalah motto mereka.

Ditunjang ama topografi jalanan Amrik yang mostly lurus lebar rata, makin menunjang syahwat mereka untuk maen kebut2an jalan lurus. That's why drag racing lahir di Amrik. That's why muscles born in the USA. Mesin sampe 7 ribu cc pun dicemplungin ke engine bay. BBM gak masalah, murah abis.

Terjawab kan? Kenapa Jepang gak melahirkan muscles dalam terminologi paling pure yaitu enjin V8 jagoan trek lurus? Jalanannya gak nunjang. Tipikal orang Jepang juga bukan tipikal having fun with cars kek orang Amrik.

Dan di Amrik pulalah era muscles berakir, saat negara2 Arab mengembargo produksi minyak mereka. USA tercekik, mulai '74 lahirlah mobil2 ber cc kecil ekonomis, tumbanglah para dinosaurus rakus penenggak BBM bernama muscle cars.

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Temen aplod ginian di FB.... Mustang Boss 429 1970, di Indo.

Kalo ini Boss BENERAN, well, estimated price minimal di USD 250K, rekor dunia lelang Boss 429 di angka USD 605K taun 2007.

Does Boss 429 exist in Indo? 50-50, karena ane blom yakin ini Boss beneran kalo blom liat foto engine bay nya hehehehe..............


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jadi bener nih kalo muscle car tu ga bisa belok?? cm bisa lempeng aja kek drag race yg ga belok2??
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Ya kalo gak bisa belok ngapaen dipasangin setir atuh K4ng?
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Nightster Guy wrote::mky_06:

Ya kalo gak bisa belok ngapaen dipasangin setir atuh K4ng?
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Mantap, penjelasan dari dosen Muscle Car: Mr. NG.. :mky_08:


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Nubie numpang tanya nih...
Kalo Pug 505 dipasangin small block v8 apa bisa disebut muscle car yah...kira kira bisa nggak yah 505 dipasangi mesin chevy dan pake holley 3 barrel?

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Turboman wrote:Din.... dinnnn........Bremm....bremmm.............
Ini masih milik pak Sofyan Tamara PPMKI, om Turbolaki? Dodge Coronet 500, CMIIW.... :) Saya nyimpen foto Coronet ini yang di garasi, dari arah menyerong sisi kanan belakang, plus kucing petnya hehehe....

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rfarm wrote:Nubie numpang tanya nih...
Kalo Pug 505 dipasangin small block v8 apa bisa disebut muscle car yah...kira kira bisa nggak yah 505 dipasangi mesin chevy dan pake holley 3 barrel?

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IMHO, bisa disebut muscles, memenuhi kriteria 'berbasis mobil biasa non sport'. Asalkan..........

Jangan lupa pintu belakangnya dilas mati biar jadi coupe.

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VanzMatic wrote:Mantap, penjelasan dari dosen Muscle Car: Mr. NG.. :mky_08:
Ah, kagak om, cuman modal sotoy kok, plus EXTREME passion terhadap monster2 purba ini. :) ntah kenapa, ane demen boil berisik dan getar.

Serasa nunggang vibrator raksasa.

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@ atas ane...

bahasa nya uda mulai mnjurus2 nehh... cuman entahlah ke arah mana jurusan nya... cewe atau cowo gt.. :big_weee: :big_weee: :big_weee: :big_weee:
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