Hahaha ! I minum Premium sekarang dan masih sehat !!

szli · Post by **szli** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:07

Lord Vader,

Kalau saya belum pernah, dan agak takut coba kick down. Takutnya ngelitiknya keluar. Anda pernah coba gaya afterburner ini ?

Ivan's jual c24 HWS CBU ? Ngak masuk akal tuh. Saya bilang itu mah orang jual c24nya tukar tambah ama Ivan's Alphard / Elgrand kalih ?

Kecuali dia jual c24 CBU yang ada twin sunroof. Nah itu urusannya beda ! Bisa ada selling point. Ada support ATPM, dan dapat extra twin sunroof. Bisa lebih laku dari Voxy / Noah yang tanpa dukungan TAM.

Joe_Black · Post by **Joe_Black** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 7:47

Well, aku pernah coba nge-gas dalem mendadak (after burner?) tapi nggak sampe full, ya nggak ngelitik sih.. in both mode (O/D on & off).. I've never tried this whilst using Pertamax, though..

Yang dijual di Ivan's memang yang versi lain dari yang punya ATPM. namanya sih tetap HWStar, tapi udah ditambah aero kit, double electric sliding door, double sun roof ? (not really sure), 2 x TV monitors.

Grand juga dijual disana..

szli · Post by **szli** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 14:30

Afterburner itu ibarat fighter plane saat take off atau perlu accelerasi mendadak, tancap gas FULL. So artinya pernah kah anda tancap pedal gas c24 habis sampai lantai.

Berapa yang di jual Ivan's ? Kok saya ngak lihat iklannya ? Ngak ada gambar juga di Kompasnya. Double sunroof, 2 TV, 2 electric door ? Wow ! Sudah mirip Alphard dong. Pasti 300 juta lebih. Maybe hampir 400.

Ivan cabang yang mana ? Saya inggin lihat sendiri. Dan inggin banding build Jepang ama rakit di Indo beda jauh ngak.

Asal ngak ngilitik, premium benar rasa murah. Toh di dalam kota, jarang sekali kita bisa accelerasi, menikmatin rasa mesin. Just crawling around like worms.

conan · Post by **conan** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 16:15

szli wrote: Berapa yang di jual Ivan's ? Kok saya ngak lihat iklannya ? Ngak ada gambar juga di Kompasnya. Double sunroof, 2 TV, 2 electric door ? Wow ! Sudah mirip Alphard dong. Pasti 300 juta lebih. Maybe hampir 400.

Ivan cabang yang mana ? Saya inggin lihat sendiri. Dan inggin banding build Jepang ama rakit di Indo beda jauh ngak.

Ditunggu review-nya, bung Szli. I'm curious, too.

liat2aja · Post by **liat2aja** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 17:17

CMIIW cuma pingin ngasih tau aja... seingat gw yang diiklankan di Kompas beberapa hari lalu itu Nissan Elgrand (spellingnya bener ga?) cuma kebetulan tipe nya juga ada yang Highway Star

conan · Post by **conan** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 17:49

liat2aja wrote:CMIIW cuma pingin ngasih tau aja... seingat gw yang diiklankan di Kompas beberapa hari lalu itu Nissan Elgrand (spellingnya bener ga?) cuma kebetulan tipe nya juga ada yang Highway Star

Rupanya Elgrand, hahaha! Thanks, bung liat2aja.

Joe_Black · Post by **Joe_Black** » Wed May 11, 2005 4:30

Kira2 seminggu lalu ada iklan Nissan Serena di Kompas. Ada satu keluarga yang makai Serena untuk liburan ke Bali, dst..dst..
Yang menarik adalah disitu ditulis bahwa untuk Serenanya, dia memakai Premium.
Hal ini diiklankan oleh NMI, legitimasi utk memakai Premium bagi pemakai Serena C-24 ? Tanpa takut garansinya ditolak, dlsb ?

conan · Post by **conan** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:13

Fuel can be ignited by spark or compression. In simple terms, the octane rating says how well the gas can be compressed without igniting. If the gas ignites by compression you get "knocks" - bad. Thus if you have no knocks, you probably have the "right" level of octane.

Higher compression engines need higher octane fuel thus the different octane offerings. Putting in a higher octane fuel than is needed by your car to avoid knocking (compression ignition) is a waste since you are either knocking or not. Octane itself does not dictate the explosive force - the compression of the engine does.

Technically, cracked crude oil produces: methane, propane, butane, pentane, hexane, heptane and octane. Octane is the best at handling compression. An octane rating of 91 means that 91% of the fuel is "equivalent" to octane (close enough for this discussion). "Equivalent" since things like lead can be used as cheap octane fillers.

Many modern cars (and that includes most high performance cars) have knock sensors that provide feedback so the car can adjust air/fuel timing etc. This also "fixes" other issues like altitude and temperature etc. And this is whats also behind the myth about higher octane=always better since knowing if the knock sensor is retarding things is not easy to know.

At some point as you increase the octane level, the knock sensor will not detect anything wrong and the cars computer will run things optimally including designed/correct performance. Increasing the octane level at this point does nothing except hurt your wallet.

Now exactly what the correct octane levels are for our various cars seems to be the bigger mystery.

In comparing octane ratings its important to know that there are three ways to measure things. RON (Research Octane Number), MON (Motor Octane Number) and AKI (Anti Knock Index). The AKI is the average of RON and MON normally seen as "R + M / 2" on the pump. RON is 8 to 10 numbers higher than MON. MON is the measure under harsher (eg performance) conditions than RON. Australia and Europe typically use RON. The USA uses AKI. The Octane level a car needs is the Octane Number Requirement (ONR).

So for example, an AKI of 87 would be 92 RON and 82 MON. So California's 91 AKI is equivalent to about European 96 RON so the difference between US and Europe isn't as bad as it appears.

So, Mr. Szli, America's 91 AKI is actually 96 RON.