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A7Corsair wrote:
Mastermax wrote:td pagi sy nebeng teman, di jalan papasan sama volvo eks mentri, dan sy comment : "Wahh jarang-jarang sy lihat Wulwu..."..
temen sy lgs noleh dan bilang :"Whatt...? Itu VOLVO tau....!"
:big_smile] :big_bored: :big_grin:
Untung temennya gak bilang : ... sore wa Borubodesu ...
itu mendingan daripada "kumaha manéh, éta téh PolPo...!!!"
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cevian capital limabelas thn trahir jadi tangan zhonghua investors u buy up swedish transportation n energy generator products trmsk volvo

mrk sadar begging technology transfer tdk akan dikasih n mrk sadar begging ability mrk tdk sama dg indo ... ini cara pintar mrk ... sama spt cara mrk beli saab u disimpan dalam lemari (mrk mgkn mau blajar bgmn cara lulus EU crashtest nilai baik n cari brand yg punya enthusiasts yg kapanpun mobilized u initial brand marketing restart)

pasti mrk cari bekas inventory major brand (GM=saab) krn pasti ada production (platform) complementation agreement apakah itu ... full product rebranding / design sharing / major vendorship a'la tata in ford-LR case

yg punya negative balance sheet adalah yg dicari krn pasti murah ... mana mau mrk beli mahal ...

ini cara hebat u product copying in legal (lawful) way ... state / regional watchdog agency manapun tdk bs stop cara ini

by the end of complementation agreement ada bbrp yg akan mrk lakukan ...divest / tendang balik floor (capital market) ... / jadikan sub brand ... / simpan dalam lemari
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newrubble wrote:
broughamv8 wrote:
Itu beneran om Zhejiang Geely Holding Group punya Volvo AB, bukan Volvo Cars?
Saya cek wikipedia, kayaknya cuman Volvo Cars.
volvocars memang private placement
volvo AB dari floor (capital market)
newrubble wrote:cevian capital limabelas thn trahir jadi tangan zhonghua investors u buy up swedish transportation n energy generator products trmsk volvo

mrk sadar begging technology transfer tdk akan dikasih n mrk sadar begging ability mrk tdk sama dg indo ... ini cara pintar mrk ... sama spt cara mrk beli saab u disimpan dalam lemari (mrk mgkn mau blajar bgmn cara lulus EU crashtest nilai baik n cari brand yg punya enthusiasts yg kapanpun mobilized u initial brand marketing restart)

pasti mrk cari bekas inventory major brand (GM=saab) krn pasti ada production (platform) complementation agreement apakah itu ... full product rebranding / design sharing / major vendorship a'la tata in ford-LR case

yg punya negative balance sheet adalah yg dicari krn pasti murah ... mana mau mrk beli mahal ...

ini cara hebat u product copying in legal (lawful) way ... state / regional watchdog agency manapun tdk bs stop cara ini

by the end of complementation agreement ada bbrp yg akan mrk lakukan ...divest / tendang balik floor (capital market) ... / jadikan sub brand ... / simpan dalam lemari
Terima kasih, om NR, atas penjelasannya :big_exellent:
Ribet juga ya, ternyata memang punya pengaruh di Volvo AB, yang kayak gini memang harus banyak riset. Bravo, om :big_grin: :big_okay:
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marmut wrote:
A7Corsair wrote:
Mastermax wrote:td pagi sy nebeng teman, di jalan papasan sama volvo eks mentri, dan sy comment : "Wahh jarang-jarang sy lihat Wulwu..."..
temen sy lgs noleh dan bilang :"Whatt...? Itu VOLVO tau....!"
:big_smile] :big_bored: :big_grin:
Untung temennya gak bilang : ... sore wa Borubodesu ...
itu mendingan daripada "kumaha manéh, éta téh PolPo...!!!"
:wkkk: :wkkk: :wkkk:
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newrubble wrote:cevian capital limabelas thn trahir jadi tangan zhonghua investors u buy up swedish transportation n energy generator products trmsk volvo

mrk sadar begging technology transfer tdk akan dikasih n mrk sadar begging ability mrk tdk sama dg indo ... ini cara pintar mrk ... sama spt cara mrk beli saab u disimpan dalam lemari (mrk mgkn mau blajar bgmn cara lulus EU crashtest nilai baik n cari brand yg punya enthusiasts yg kapanpun mobilized u initial brand marketing restart)

pasti mrk cari bekas inventory major brand (GM=saab) krn pasti ada production (platform) complementation agreement apakah itu ... full product rebranding / design sharing / major vendorship a'la tata in ford-LR case

yg punya negative balance sheet adalah yg dicari krn pasti murah ... mana mau mrk beli mahal ...

ini cara hebat u product copying in legal (lawful) way ... state / regional watchdog agency manapun tdk bs stop cara ini

by the end of complementation agreement ada bbrp yg akan mrk lakukan ...divest / tendang balik floor (capital market) ... / jadikan sub brand ... / simpan dalam lemari
ini orang2 Geely jeli melihat peluang...modal ada...ya caplok saja..
ga kebayang orang-orang "borubo" Sewdish harus berbesar hati,.. :big_cry:
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sebenarnya ... ini sy crita bener ya ...

zhonghua itu blajar dr indo & ini bkn pertama x

sudah benar dulu 1994 mycom setdco (djody n datuk datuk itu) & v'power (tom anaknya fir'aun jawa).ambil lambo

barang bagus ... under chrysler (1987-94)....technically bankrupt ... seharga jauh lbh murah dr satu unit b737 brandnew ($ 40,000,000.)

byk patent rights yg diambil mycom.n dijual ke proton ... istilah sy ... content stripping off ...

kenapa dulu lambo diambil? krn bgt byk chrysler patents (124 items ... baru maupun pengembangan) n ini paling penting ... ada kawasaki patents (15 items) di.dalam lambo n smua itu (berkat cross ownership.chrysler - kawasaki -.lambo) jadi free domain in lambo ... siapapun yg pegang controlling shareholder(s) bole pungut gratis

hrs diingat 1997-98 ada timor didalam cagiva n ini juga bankrupted brand yg saat itu cuma seharga dua rumah 600m2 di menteng jkt pusat ... n timor perlu kawasaki aura for cagiva rebrand of then so called "timori" (ada yg ingat itu?)

sebenar apa langkah mycom-setdco & v'power.acquire lambo? ya sebenar langkah megatech ambil vector yg punya vendorship agreement dg lambo (engine supplier)

tapi sayang ... saat mycom ambil patents di dalamnya .. setdco (& v'power) pilih 1998 profit taking dg jual lambo $ 110,000,000 ke audi (vw group)

zhonghua belajar byk dr kes indo yg bginian ... bedanya indo hanya tertarik short term financial gain ... n mrk tertarik u industrial advancement

tanpa indo tdk mgkn mrk lakukan ini

eh ini bicara volvo ya ...ok enuf for ths stuff
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fir'aun jawa..... :big_biglaugh:
perbendaharaan kata baru lagi nih.
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newrubble wrote:sebenarnya ... ini sy crita bener ya ...

kenapa dulu lambo diambil? krn bgt byk chrysler patents (124 items ... baru maupun pengembangan) n ini paling penting ... ada kawasaki patents (15 items) di.dalam lambo n smua itu (berkat cross ownership.chrysler - kawasaki -.lambo) jadi free domain in lambo ... siapapun yg pegang controlling shareholder(s) bole pungut gratis

hrs diingat 1997-98 ada timor didalam cagiva n ini juga bankrupted brand yg saat itu cuma seharga dua rumah 600m2 di menteng jkt pusat ... n timor perlu kawasaki aura for cagiva rebrand of then so called "timori" (ada yg ingat itu?)
https://amriltg.wordpress.com/2008/02/2 ... di-timori/
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dimana dimana commercial products yg dekat dg high politics punya nasip bgt ...

big power politic ousted ... sunset comes

krn itu hyundai pilih bail out ... away from bembi seperti kia jauh jauh dr tomtom bgt fir'aun masuk pyramid n tutup pintu
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klo tinggal di EU sih rasanya kepengen punya Wulwu, Seat (bacanya gimana yah), Reno, Citrong, dll ...

klo disini sebentar puyeng karena susah bengkelnya sama spare part nya ...
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Hari ini volvo buka selubung penerus s80 sekarang namanya s90
Yg lucu banyak media non spesialis otomotif yg kecele nih mobil katanya buat rival Sclass dkk karena angka 90 nya
Padahal dia " hanya" nambah dimensi sebanyak 4 inch dan lebar nambah 1inch yang sekarang jadi seukuran seri 5 f10 (4,9m)
Tapi mungkin bisa juga ya dia bikin kelas sendiri di celah kecil antara Eclass-Sclass atau seri5-seri7
Katanya mesin semua varian pakai 4 silinder bahkan varian yang T8 juga adalah inline4 dg performa ala polestar + sistem hibrid
Cukup nggak ya buat jadi trigger volvo cars di sini biar eksis lagi apalagi kata media luar yg uda ngetes XC90 juga barang bagus katanya ( selain butuh stakeholder yg "serius" juga mungkin ya )
Menurut saya sih desainya agak gimana ya gak sekuat karakter waktu s80 yg dulu tapi mungkin kalau lihat langsung di jalan bisa saja sangat bagus seperti mobil2 audi yg kurang photogenic di gambar biasa2 tapi di jalan wah
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Ane malah tertarik, sapa "otak" sesungguhnya d balik kisah romance dunia otomotif indo era 90an
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SEAT (sociedad espanõla de automoviles de turismo) bacanya kalo org indo ... sei et (english: seh @)
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Xous wrote:Ane malah tertarik, sapa "otak" sesungguhnya d balik kisah romance dunia otomotif indo era 90an
alm.eman yogasara ... dir.gen.paling lama dlm diktator suharto era .. (dir.gen.aneka industry n logam dasar)

orgnya suka mobil meski yg std std sj ... tuh bekas rumah dia di salah 1 corner (mid of) jalan denpasar yg skrg jadi rumah teddy pawitra (ex star motor ind.)

dulu malah dia tanya suhari sargo... apakah ae90 gti yg hrs dia approve atau t-180
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Hmm sy kliru om. Maksud sy, aktor yg buat pangeran nya firaun n djody bs pny ide/keberanian pinang itu saham perush spt lambo cagiva vector dll. Mereka spt grup yg harmonis haha
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benar kok

diktator itu mau pengiran pengiran dia jadi habibie bidang angkutan darat hususnya mobil.motor

alm.eman org yg nurut disuruh ini itu trmsk disuruh berfikir yg benar benar baru u ukuran indo saat itu ... dia seperti alm.tungky

tdk mgkn vector m12 bisa jalan legal di jalanan jakarta (masuk n kluar sbg pre production sample) kalo tdk dg approval dia sbg dutyfree (tax exempted) item ... bgt juga 6 units LM002 (4 units LM002 ... 2 units rebrand timor-JM series)
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newrubble wrote:benar kok

diktator itu mau pengiran pengiran dia jadi habibie bidang angkutan darat hususnya mobil.motor

alm.eman org yg nurut disuruh ini itu trmsk disuruh berfikir yg benar benar baru u ukuran indo saat itu ... dia seperti alm.tungky

tdk mgkn vector m12 bisa jalan legal di jalanan jakarta (masuk n kluar sbg pre production sample) kalo tdk dg approval dia sbg dutyfree (tax exempted) item ... bgt juga 6 units LM002 (4 units LM002 ... 2 units rebrand timor-JM series)
Disini siapa ownernya Vector M12 skg om? masih setdjody?

Djody juga koleksi apa aja om? sorry oot
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newrubble wrote:benar kok

diktator itu mau pengiran pengiran dia jadi habibie bidang angkutan darat hususnya mobil.motor

alm.eman org yg nurut disuruh ini itu trmsk disuruh berfikir yg benar benar baru u ukuran indo saat itu ... dia seperti alm.tungky

tdk mgkn vector m12 bisa jalan legal di jalanan jakarta (masuk n kluar sbg pre production sample) kalo tdk dg approval dia sbg dutyfree (tax exempted) item ... bgt juga 6 units LM002 (4 units LM002 ... 2 units rebrand timor-JM series)
lambo LM002 pernah di rebrand jd timor om?? keep telling stories om NR, saya bener2 belajar banyak
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dulu rencana th 2000 tni mau jadikan lambo LM (timor JM001 ... JM=jip militer) sbg official fleet

M12 masih terdaftar 390 commonwealth ave #312, boston, MA ... hrsnya masih ada di parking zone
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s90 toh? saya kira jaguar.... masih lebih suka s90 lama yang royal executive.
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israeli consul general disini pakai 2012 s80 svos (sy tdk tau balistic level protection dia tapi kmgkn pakai b-7) ... armoured czech made version

US embassy juga pakai svos product tapi škoda superb (vw passat rebrand)
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memangnya Vector Automotive itu masih idup sampe sekarang ?

cuma pernah lihat mobil di Game Gran Turismo aja, dulu dengar dari cerita om yang tinggal di USA, katanya mobil super cepat, lebih cepat dibanding Ferrari ...
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mantaaaab info om nr ada 6 unit lm002 baru 1 yg terlihat di jalan entah dimana 5 unit lainnya :big_smoking:
yg saya bingung setiawan djody itu bkannya seniman ya? entah uangnya darimana
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wah kalo bicara djody bambang setiawan itu out of topic ...tapi byk (trmsk sy) bilang dia anak ajaip

lulus the wharton business scholl, penn (almamater = don.trump) 1969 ... gambling lover yg pernah bikin brita (bener) menang puluhan juta usd di vegas (1970)

1972 (bareng yanto tjokropranolo) ubah kemang dr swamp jadi residential area (ada bbrp ratus yg dibangun n smua disewa expat saat itu) ini jauh sblm alm.tjokro (bpk nya yanto) jadi jkt-1

th 1973 bareng adnan kashogi di panama jadi arms dealer n bgt untung besar (1977)dia jual smua shares dia ke adnan (sblm itu ambruk di tgn adnan 1978)

kmudian 1973-77 dia dg bruce rappaport (kalo ada yg ingat kes iran-contra dan BCCI) sbg pertamina tanker fleet hire n purchase "makelaar" (trmsk supertanker ibnu1 dan lady valena yg hanya 3,000 dwt n benar benar punya dia sendiri tanpa bruce)

1976 di panama dia bikin oil tanker armada eagle ocean maritime s.a. yg masih jalan sampai skrg

1977-2000 bikin cacine shipping co. inc.(panama)
1977-2000 bikin etembue navigation company inc. (tug services, panama)

1977 bikin spectra holdings s.a. sampai skrg n ini terbesar

1979 ambil 4% share orient overseas ltd.inc. milik tung chee hwa concern (masih sampai skrg)

ada juga oil concession di kazakhstan (1993-skrg) ...yg lain tdk usah sebut sini

teman dia byk ... grace jones ... arnold.palmer ... don.trump ...alm.shah iran ...bbrp ex us presidents ...james wales n bbrp hollywood celebs yg tinggal skitar dia di bellair
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dsign1990 wrote:Hari ini volvo buka selubung penerus s80 sekarang namanya s90
Yg lucu banyak media non spesialis otomotif yg kecele nih mobil katanya buat rival Sclass dkk karena angka 90 nya
Padahal dia " hanya" nambah dimensi sebanyak 4 inch dan lebar nambah 1inch yang sekarang jadi seukuran seri 5 f10 (4,9m)
Tapi mungkin bisa juga ya dia bikin kelas sendiri di celah kecil antara Eclass-Sclass atau seri5-seri7
Katanya mesin semua varian pakai 4 silinder bahkan varian yang T8 juga adalah inline4 dg performa ala polestar + sistem hibrid
Cukup nggak ya buat jadi trigger volvo cars di sini biar eksis lagi apalagi kata media luar yg uda ngetes XC90 juga barang bagus katanya ( selain butuh stakeholder yg "serius" juga mungkin ya )
Menurut saya sih desainya agak gimana ya gak sekuat karakter waktu s80 yg dulu tapi mungkin kalau lihat langsung di jalan bisa saja sangat bagus seperti mobil2 audi yg kurang photogenic di gambar biasa2 tapi di jalan wah
Mirip Aston Martin/Jaguar.. Atau malah mirip Volvo P1800?