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newrubble wrote:udah bayar taxes termahal didunia

...malay govt jadikan malay asean-ncap hub
...spore govt kasih MRT&bus system subsidy

...indo govt
-zzz saat massive global airbag recall
-zzz saat suspect takata airbag failure@indo
-zzz saat crash impact steer-wheel detach fatality

-zzz saat vw dieselgate
-zzz zzz zzz ...

coba demo govt.u minta vehicle tax cut ... lempar kantoor pajak dg kotoran / lumpur

bisa cuma trima wang aja
Bener banget nih om
Ikutan kalau ada leader nya
Om nr bikin partai sm om hahaha
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wah sy akan byk yg mau kasih poison krn kalo asing bole pegang presidentship n sy naik. tapi sebelum mati by poison:

aceh .. poso ... ambon ... papua n daerah manapun yg rebel mau sy bikin referendum ... mau minta lepas bikin republiek baru sy silakan

in or out of indo tdk penting ... yg penting aftermath ... hubungan baik bersahabat ... light nation light prosperity lift-up ... ha ha ha

vehicletax mau sy bikin strata system nationwide .... plaat beda beda by strata.

misalnya yg bisa jalan hr minggu sj itu bentuk oval n ini akan annual - taxfree

yg bisa jalan saptu sj short squared ini kena 10% tax from current annual

yg bisa jalan malam sj saptu minggu itu akan existing shape in white background spt plaat mobil brandnew

yg everyday use per annum akan taxhike 500% dr existing rate ... wang mau sy bikin light train off ground tiap kota ke desa n offground pedestrian toll walk dg travellator n airconditioned n cctv n free clean toilet ... tdk kena ujan tdk ada gembel atau jahanam dimanapun

free vehicle importduty on hybrid n EV ... 20% on conventional engines with emission level under 150 gr/sq.km ... 30-40% for beyond that

byk yg ada di dlm kepala sy kalo bole foreigner jadi national leader ... pegawai negara sipil dr basic end sampai highest ranked itu kontrak per enam bulan n hanya dikasih gaji sj tdk ada tunjang-tunjang apapun tapi yg basic end dapat sesuai local minimum wage

wang pensiun akan ditrima smua taxpayers ... smua public services u taxpayers ... tiap rw / lingkungan isinya hrs komplet ... hrs ada kuburan ... ada skolah negara tk sampai sma smk n community college spy anak anak skolah cukup jalan kaki sj ... ada community shopping mall tiap rw / lingkungan ... community cinema ... two community (theme n green) parks per rw / lingkungan ... siapapun yg bisa kerja n jualan dlm community ya hrs community resident taxpayer

sehingga org kluar rw itu namanya ... rekreasi ... yg gila jabatan dan punya leadership talent cukup ikut pemilihan ketua rw tapi tdk bole ada political party involvement ... hrs independent individuals

smua landownership mau sy takeover jadi stateowned ... building is yours ... land belongs to the state n user to longterm lease

mobil dinas mau sy jual smua ke public on open bid ... online n offline ... yg perlu mobil dinas akan dikasih mobil sewa from major fleet providers

IDcard, driving license, birth&death certificates, marriage&divorce deeds, passport, taxpayer, pension numbering system.akan sama trmsk existing publicservices card numbering akan jadi sama

pegawai sipil negara nationwide cukup 10,000 per highly populated province

penjara akan ada tightly controlled wifi (no up n download) n nyaman di dalam spy tenant betah ... convicted tdk akan bisa ketemu visitors langsung ... akan ada wall barrier with thick glass n intercom spy tdk ada lg smuggled in / out articles ... dan lain lg ...
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tapi yang susah sekarang di indo semua new rules must be approved by Parliament...

as long gada good will dari mereka, Indo bakal gitu2 aja siapapun presidennya, except ada new dictator idealist yg punya ide kayak om NR. semua yg beda, buang ke laut.
semua ide bagus bisa di execute


BTT

btw kalo liat web mudah.my , mobil second di malaysia gak mahal2 amat n mobil baru cukup terjangkau buat local product. at least they have option buat dapet mobil bagus harga murah dan gak murahan
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Kesimpulannya harga mobil di indo sampe kapanpun bakal tetap selangit...

Percuma program2 mobil rakyat lcgc harga tetep ga kena ma masyarakat umum..

Sementara/sementaun ada satu ungkapan yg bisa dipegang :

Mending mahal kebeli drpd murah ga bisa beli.


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Gw lebih setuju pajak mobil diturunin..
Ada yg blg nanti tambah macet ya itu pasti.. Itu bukan salah org beli mobil tapi karena ga ada pilihan transport lain yg enak selain bawa mobil sendiri..

Gw yakin si sama macet nya dgn Pajak skrg ini.. Cm bedanya di jalan mobilnya bagus2.. Ga cuma isinya lcgc av-xen ipah ertiga..

Lebih utg lg buat masyarakat karena emisi mobil bagus2 pasti lebih baik...

Pajak dimahalin ya keluar itu mobil murah tanpa kualitas..
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newrubble wrote:wah sy akan byk yg mau kasih poison krn kalo asing bole pegang presidentship n sy naik. tapi sebelum mati by poison:

aceh .. poso ... ambon ... papua n daerah manapun yg rebel mau sy bikin referendum ... mau minta lepas bikin republiek baru sy silakan

in or out of indo tdk penting ... yg penting aftermath ... hubungan baik bersahabat ... light nation light prosperity lift-up ... ha ha ha

vehicletax mau sy bikin strata system nationwide .... plaat beda beda by strata.

misalnya yg bisa jalan hr minggu sj itu bentuk oval n ini akan annual - taxfree

yg bisa jalan saptu sj short squared ini kena 10% tax from current annual

yg bisa jalan malam sj saptu minggu itu akan existing shape in white background spt plaat mobil brandnew

yg everyday use per annum akan taxhike 500% dr existing rate ... wang mau sy bikin light train off ground tiap kota ke desa n offground pedestrian toll walk dg travellator n airconditioned n cctv n free clean toilet ... tdk kena ujan tdk ada gembel atau jahanam dimanapun

free vehicle importduty on hybrid n EV ... 20% on conventional engines with emission level under 150 gr/sq.km ... 30-40% for beyond that

byk yg ada di dlm kepala sy kalo bole foreigner jadi national leader ... pegawai negara sipil dr basic end sampai highest ranked itu kontrak per enam bulan n hanya dikasih gaji sj tdk ada tunjang-tunjang apapun tapi yg basic end dapat sesuai local minimum wage

wang pensiun akan ditrima smua taxpayers ... smua public services u taxpayers ... tiap rw / lingkungan isinya hrs komplet ... hrs ada kuburan ... ada skolah negara tk sampai sma smk n community college spy anak anak skolah cukup jalan kaki sj ... ada community shopping mall tiap rw / lingkungan ... community cinema ... two community (theme n green) parks per rw / lingkungan ... siapapun yg bisa kerja n jualan dlm community ya hrs community resident taxpayer

sehingga org kluar rw itu namanya ... rekreasi ... yg gila jabatan dan punya leadership talent cukup ikut pemilihan ketua rw tapi tdk bole ada political party involvement ... hrs independent individuals

smua landownership mau sy takeover jadi stateowned ... building is yours ... land belongs to the state n user to longterm lease

mobil dinas mau sy jual smua ke public on open bid ... online n offline ... yg perlu mobil dinas akan dikasih mobil sewa from major fleet providers

IDcard, driving license, birth&death certificates, marriage&divorce deeds, passport, taxpayer, pension numbering system.akan sama trmsk existing publicservices card numbering akan jadi sama

pegawai sipil negara nationwide cukup 10,000 per highly populated province

penjara akan ada tightly controlled wifi (no up n download) n nyaman di dalam spy tenant betah ... convicted tdk akan bisa ketemu visitors langsung ... akan ada wall barrier with thick glass n intercom spy tdk ada lg smuggled in / out articles ... dan lain lg ...
Ide2nya maut nih om nr
Level om nr pasti ada link ke pemerintahan jokowi
Ga di coba brainstorming ke mereka om?
Kalo soal asing
Dual citizenship kan bentar lagi udah mau boleh
Ntar sy daftar jadi member aja om heheh
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wah sy sdh kenyang jadi strategic sr. advisor dr jaman habibie ... gusdur ... mega ... sby ... sby

masih suka kontak dg bbrp jokowi's inners ... paling sering ssaid ... rizal (sering endup dia marah n tutup telp) ...susi (sy suruh dia boat-bbq n dia jalanin ... sy bilang kalo indo ke WTO garagara deepwater fishery policy sy bantu) ...rini dr jaman dia ibra-2

tapi skrg kan jaman org muda muda ... sy bantu fulltime tempat lain yg blm semaju indo
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atau jangan2 karena ATPM ngambil untungnya kebanyakan, udah fiturnya disunat, paling mahal di dunia pula.
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DOHC wrote:
newrubble wrote: kan yg bayar personal income n motorvehicle taxes cuma sedikit org

i second that..

swaktu ane dinas di indo timur sana... ga jarang ane temuin mobil2 pd mati pajak smua... ibaratnya beli mobil bayar pajak nya cuman pas kluar showroom biar dapet plaat... abis itu, entah kapan baru inget bayar pajak lg... kl di daerah2 yg non kota besar, ini lebi aneh lg, banyak plaat2 dari jawa..

plaat merah ?? even worse... stnk masi ad di laci aj ud teritung bagus...
Mobil dinas jatah dokter ahli di tempat ane kerja di RSUD kab. Flores Timur pengadaan 2014 dan 2015 malah sampe skrg cuman ada stnk tanpa ada plat merah nya om. Dan sewaktu saya jalan2 trans flores dari sinike labuan bajo, banyak juga nemuin mobil tanpa plat nomor bebas lalu lalang
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kalo bgt masih bagus mobil dinas bbrp puskesmas heads sumbawa ya ...

toyota landcruiser100 series warna putih ex JICA sumbawa malaria control project ... plaat merah mereka in numerical order EA ---- BX ada pto-winch didepan n airlift centerhook ditiap roda ... full factory std cuma ada aircond dan in-dash yaesu allband rx tx communicator

sy sempat liat skitar mid-2007 mrk kadang dibawa sampai mataram kota ... satu sy ketemu di rumah alm.gatot suherman di jalan langko nomor dua dekat RRI
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newrubble wrote:91 juta rupiah itu usd 6,500 ... kalo mobil di US paling murah brandnew itu nissan versa usd.11,990 after discount ... basic price usd 12,350

di jkt gamya pakai itu n masih ratusan units di stockyard purwakarta in bluebird livery due to last minute purchase cancellation

satu unit onroad katanya mau dilepas rp.200juta ... subject to change without notice
Dijualnya kapan om nr? Pengen juga sih..
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tuh diwarung sebelah (bukan kakus ya) ada ID sugihendi ... dia GM training NMI

tapi tanya nissan mth juga bisa ...

sama spt dulu thn 2010 ada seratusan limo brandnew surplus dijual a2000 rp.120juta onroad ... all in solid white
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Sebelum keisia Asia 1997, harga mobil di negara kawasan ASEAN memang sudah tertinggi di dunia. Thailand waktu itu termasuk juga dan mestinya sampai sekarang juga. Faktor bahwa mobil dianggap sebagai barang mewah yang menunjukkan status sosial nemegang peranan dalam harga mobil yang termahal dunia. Jadi ya memang no doubt lha.
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sblm 1999 ... indo terapkan non-tariff barrier utk CBU kecuali ...diplomatic ... govt ... foreign grant project

total import duty plus taxes u CKD adalah 115% dr FoB

indo dulu satu satunya di asia yg non-tariff barrier CBU importation ... di indo wkt itu yg punya CBU apapun saat itu ibarat pegang goldbar ... apapun brand n lineup ...

sy ingat th 89 harry sanusi naik uaz-469 kotor abis main lumpur dia ke saripacific bole parkir depan lobby bareng bbrp w123 atau t. crown

pdhl di vietnam mobil bgt yg naik ... pangkat balok

harga mobil naik seiring dg makin byk tax variants n makin sering currency devaluation. foreign diplomats byk yg punya side income.....import ... pake setahun ... jual n import lg ... mrk pasti profit

tailand blm bunyi apa apa wkt itu ... rayong masih swamp.n jadi military training ground u wetland attack

malay blm develop portklang u auto industry ... smua masih di shahalam dekat autodrome ...
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daftar wrote:singapore mahal karena biar pake angkutan publik yang memang sudah bagus,
malaysia mahal untuk melindungi proton,
Indonesia? :big_think:
untuk mengurangi kemacetan om.. kebayang kalo harga mobil di indonesia murah meriah muntah, itu gerombolan motor2 bisa berubah jadi gerombolan mobil2, gak kebayang kayak apa macet nya :big_dunno:
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harga mahal kalo tdk ada population control ... infrastructure tdk dibangun by proportion ... tdk ada vehicle usage management

ya berantakan

masalahnya indo itu harga jadi.mahal krn tax collection u financing bureaucratic (overstaff) inefficiency & trial-n-error mismanagement

return benefit ... tdk ada (bikin tollroad dr corporate bond issuance ... ini cuma 1 contoh)

progressif (agressive) ownership tax juga tdk ada direct contributive untuk traffic congestion drop down ... malah tetap tambah macet ... tapi govt.tdk mau itu latest tax variant ilang krn ...

skali dibuat ... susah annulment ... krn sdh terlanjur jadi routine expenditure sourcing ... ibarat org kena drug addiction
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hahaha, betul kata om NR,
sekali dikenakan pajak yang gede, ogah nurunin meskipun sudah tidak relevan jaman sekarang(contoh: pajak berdasar CC, pajak 4x4 lbh besar), kalo perlu bikin aturan baru lagi buat nambah2 jumlah pajak
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daftar wrote:singapore mahal karena biar pake angkutan publik yang memang sudah bagus,
malaysia mahal untuk melindungi proton,
Indonesia? :big_think:
untuk mengurangi kemacetan om.. kebayang kalo harga mobil di indonesia murah meriah muntah, itu gerombolan motor2 bisa berubah jadi gerombolan mobil2, gak kebayang kayak apa macet nya :big_dunno:
ya kan yang macet cuman di kota gede saja om, orang2 daerah juga pengen punya mobil murah
lagipula tugas pemerintah nyediain transportasi masal yang bagus & memadai juga belum terpenuhi
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Mobil biarkan tetap mahal, asalkan jelas larinya pajak untuk pembangunan transportasi umum
Kalau mobil murah dan transportasi umum masih caur gini ya yang ada pemerataan kemacetan
Ketika anda merasa lucu berarti anda tidak lucu
demikian sebaliknya kalau anda merasa tidak lucu berarti anda beneran tidak lucu
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nah masalahnya

taxation by cm3 (centimeter cubical / cubic centimeter) inconsistently applied

saat ada unit mobil dg big cc engined dia kena by table tariff ... saat ada unit mobil dg zero cc dia kena equal to big 4,000 cc engine

sy sempat heran saat liat stnk i-miev satu.kenalan sy di jakarta ... dlm stnk dia kena skitar rp.78juta

trus dia tunjuk satu electric moped dia digudang n sdh jadi rongsokan (imported by honoris group) ... stnk lama.(jaman unit masih running condition) tertulis "=50cc" meski dlm column "bahan bakar" stated "listrik"

trus sy ingat jaman punya ez-go sampai dua thn lalu ... juga "bahan bakar" stated "listrik" dan cc ditulis "=50cc" ... dulu sy sempat protesting n kata mvd jakarta (sy urus tanpa mediator) ... kalo mau dapat legalitas jalanraya ya harus begitu n kalo tdk setuju ya tdk bisa lanjut processing ... tadinya (unit th 2006) mau kena sebesar 4,000 cc engine equivalency

byk org academically pintar tapi bureaucratically tdk terliat pintar ... spt sy berurusan dg mental hospital patient
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newrubble wrote:nah masalahnya

taxation by cm3 (centimeter cubical / cubic centimeter) inconsistently applied

saat ada unit mobil dg big cc engined dia kena by table tariff ... saat ada unit mobil dg zero cc dia kena equal to big 4,000 cc engine

sy sempat heran saat liat stnk i-miev satu.kenalan sy di jakarta ... dlm stnk dia kena skitar rp.78juta

trus dia tunjuk satu electric moped dia digudang n sdh jadi rongsokan (imported by honoris group) ... stnk lama.(jaman unit masih running condition) tertulis "=50cc" meski dlm column "bahan bakar" stated "listrik"

trus sy ingat jaman punya ez-go sampai dua thn lalu ... juga "bahan bakar" stated "listrik" dan cc ditulis "=50cc" ... dulu sy sempat protesting n kata mvd jakarta (sy urus tanpa mediator) ... kalo mau dapat legalitas jalanraya ya harus begitu n kalo tdk setuju ya tdk bisa lanjut processing ... tadinya (unit th 2006) mau kena sebesar 4,000 cc engine equivalency

byk org academically pintar tapi bureaucratically tdk terliat pintar ... spt sy berurusan dg mental hospital patient
Punya mobil listrik pusing di Indo om, masa Tesla yg non pollution car dikasih bea masuk mahal & pajak mahal.

Kemaren sore liat Tesla Model S warna item lewat beriringan sama Porsche 911 item. Keren banget keliatannya.

Syukur2 disini annual tax nya murah itu Tesla.

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tuh di galleria esplanad ada tesla outlet ... yg 70d skitar tujuh puluh delapan ribu

krn ini EV maka treatment lbh drpd hybrid ... jij dikasih free roadtax n annual tax cuma skitar dua setengah (currency tempat jij ada) ... itu tujuh puluh delapan ribu ditambah duapuluh empat percent value added tax ... nah sgitu wang yg hrs dibawa di kantong u tebus satu unit

kalo 70 itu arti charging wattage 7,000 ... 85 itu 8,500watts ....

satu unit huoneisto ukuran 59-70 sq.m yg ada dua makuuhuone itu dapat jatah 40,000w listrik ... sy sdh cek
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misalnya pajak mobil diturunin, ada tidak kemungkinan pemerintah akan menggenjot pajak lain (misanya PPh) untuk menutup lubang yang ditinggalkan oleh pajak mobil? nah bagi kita yg tax payer dan car owner (krn di indo tdk semua car owner ber-npwp), kira2 lebih berat mana, pajak mobil tinggi ato pph tinggi?

ilustrasinya begini, saya ada kawan exportir kecil2an. di garasinya ada fortuner 2014 dan yaris 2013, keduanya dibeli dari baru, serta camry tahun lama, yg mungkin dibeli seken. katakanlah fortuner ditebus 200jt lbh mahal, yaris 100jt lebih mahal, dan camry 50jt, camrinya tahun lama soalnya.... maka total jendral dia membayar 350juta lebih mahal utk mobil2 tersebut gara2 rezim pajak mobil indo yg sialan.

nah, di tahun fiskal 2014, sang kawan tsb mendapat tagihan kurang pajak pph sebesar 150jt. dan sejak era sri mulyani, berhubungan dg orang pajak cukup membuat kita berkeringat dingin. maksud saya, ada tdk kemungkinan kalo pajak mobil diturunin, justru kita akan lebih sering berhadapan dg orang2 pajak yg datang dg membawa angka2 yg membuat kita menggigil kedinginan dan sesak napas...

kalo menurut perhitungan asal2an saya, dg skema pajak yg sekarang, kawan saya td membayar 350juta lebih mahal, tapi kalo mobilnya dipakai 5 tahun, maka setiap tahunnya 'hanya' kena 70jt. itu lbh ringan dibandingkan misalnya, (KEMUNGKINAN) harus membayar pph 150jt lbh banyak setiap tahunnya.
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nih sy omong sbg outsider ... by EU experience

disini bgt sering yg namanya referendum (kalo di indo kan cuma u daerah yg mau minta lepas merdeka)

disini namanya new tax creation sampai tax hike up sekecil apapun ... hrs direct public approval ...parliament dilewatin sj krn urusan bgt selalu end up in referendum

govt.bikin proposal itu new tax atau tax hike brp besar n jadi brapa n u apa sj ... kalo cuma.sampai di "brp besar" tanpa "u apa sj" ... jgn harap dpt positive public decision

hrsnya di indo bgt ... public sbg owner of the whole country

apalagi 75% jadi 150% ... tanpa.public participation terlalu skali.

kasih tambah dong itu existing national flag dg skull-n-bones logo
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Re: Harga Mobil di 3 negara ASEAN termahal di dunia

Post by saridin »

para pejabat indo tidak berpikir demikian Om NR, pikir mereka, merekalah owner-nya...
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Re: RE: Re: Harga Mobil di 3 negara ASEAN termahal di dunia

Post by Haagendasz »

newrubble wrote:tuh di galleria esplanad ada tesla outlet ... yg 70d skitar tujuh puluh delapan ribu

krn ini EV maka treatment lbh drpd hybrid ... jij dikasih free roadtax n annual tax cuma skitar dua setengah (currency tempat jij ada) ... itu tujuh puluh delapan ribu ditambah duapuluh empat percent value added tax ... nah sgitu wang yg hrs dibawa di kantong u tebus satu unit

kalo 70 itu arti charging wattage 7,000 ... 85 itu 8,500watts ....

satu unit huoneisto ukuran 59-70 sq.m yg ada dua makuuhuone itu dapat jatah 40,000w listrik ... sy sdh cek
Wah besok coba lewat lagi daerah Esplanadi deh. Berarti beli yg seri 70 kita2 bayar 100rb euro yah.

Road tax sama annual tax bedanya apa om ?

Jatah listriknya gede amat om ? Rumah saya aja dulu cuma 2200 watt. Apa karena pake heater yah ?

Klo punya Tesla ga bakal saya parkir pinggir jalan deh, tadi siang liat Audi RS4 diparkir pinggir jalan sampe saljunya numpuk kaya gunung.

Funny thing is I almost never see Japanese car here, like 1:30 ratio on the street. Mostly BMW, Merc, VW.

Kaya2 bener yah orang sini, baru liat 1 Nissan Micra udah butut sama Yaris merah td waktu jalan pulang dr Forum Shopping Center.

Sama mostly diesel cars disini, hampir semua sedan yg saya perhatiin semuanya diesel.

Apa memang tax untuk mobil diesel lebih murah di EU ?

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