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yeap european kejar tax subsidy krn itu most cars on road r diesel powered ...

disini sebetulnya ga perlu ga perlu skali punya mobil ... public bus & tram way system sdh sangat enak ... tinggal naik n turun ... tdk pusing hrs singkir hrs singkir snow tebal windshield n rear glass.also mirrors

roadtax ditentukan oleh community (pemerintah kabupaten) dimana owner residing... annual tax by state govt. di negara mana mobil registered ... tapi bayar pajak cukup di satu titik sj ... hanya tax breakdown nya bgitu
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newrubble wrote:yeap european kejar tax subsidy krn itu most cars on road r diesel powered ...

disini sebetulnya ga perlu ga perlu skali punya mobil ... public bus & tram way system sdh sangat enak ... tinggal naik n turun ... tdk pusing hrs singkir hrs singkir snow tebal windshield n rear glass.also mirrors

roadtax ditentukan oleh community (pemerintah kabupaten) dimana owner residing... annual tax by state govt. di negara mana mobil registered ... tapi bayar pajak cukup di satu titik sj ... hanya tax breakdown nya bgitu
Iya bener om, disini semua terjangkau jaraknya. By walking distance & public transport.

Kemaren waktu saya di BKK aja terasa sekali public transport Indo jelek & ga terintegrasi. Padahal masih sesama ASEAN. Panas2 hawanya juga sama.

Jalan kaki disini berasa aman sekali, ga ada pengemis & gembel berkeliaran. Ga ada orang mabok di tengah jalan juga.

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Indonesia sepertinya memang kalah sama Thailand Dan Malaysia, baru bisa bangga sama Vietnam atau Kamboja. Siapa tau 10 tahun lagi kalah sama Myanmar.
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dosa indo govt.&parliament yg unforgiven u sy ... bertahun biarkan public bayar sebesar dua.units brandnew ...hanya u beli satu unit

kalo ada yg usul.supaya jakarta atau bay waters lain mau bikin underwater reefs ... lempar sj mrk smua ... biar skulls n bones mrk jadi touristic view satu wkt tar

wang yg dibayar tdk tau u apa n kmana sj ... itu state auditor buta smua mata mrk ...

naik metromini ... naik mikrolet ... angkutan public apa.sj ... bukan jkt sj ... very shaky like riding on washing machine on full spin ...

udah bgt mrk masih bisa touring around US ...europe.n shop spt anjinglepas ...
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Om NR enak ya udah 'merdeka', kita2 ini yang di Indo masih terbelenggu hehe Mau keluar negeri istri masih menganggap kesempatan bisnis lebih baik di Indo. Kadang saya bingung, dia yang buta atau saya yg terlalu pesimis.
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newrubble wrote:91 juta rupiah itu usd 6,500 ... kalo mobil di US paling murah brandnew itu nissan versa usd.11,990 after discount ... basic price usd 12,350

di jkt gamya pakai itu n masih ratusan units di stockyard purwakarta in bluebird livery due to last minute purchase cancellation

satu unit onroad katanya mau dilepas rp.200juta ... subject to change without notice
kok bisa cancel di last minute gitu ya :big_bored:

kasian amat si nissan uda impor setengah mati tiba2 cancel... apa gak ada perjanjian dulu sebelumbya untuk panjer dulu atau cancellation fee 25% gitu :big_childish:
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kesempatan ada tapi situasi bikin kita jadi tdk ada kemampuan ya ... buat apa

yg jelas namanya head of family itu tentukan smua members mau dibawa kmn ...

tax seharga barang yg dibeli tapi no return bwnefit buat sy itu namanya rampok ... buat apa sy hrs bayarin gaji pegawai negara ... wang sy ya u sy n fam ... bayar tax ya jgn sebesar benefit yg sy dpt

satu hal yg jelas ... idup diaspora itu bukan monopolistic org org kaya ... tdk selamanya hrs kluar wang ratusan juta atau milyard rupiah

sy dulu di indo krn under contract n bgt klaar ya sy cari tempat yg apa.apa tdk overprice ... kalo pun dpt yg apa apa lbh mahal drpd jkt ya proportional return benefit hrs ada

2016 rollsroyce phantom tu aslinya $ 417,000 before discount ... kalo sampai jadi $ 1,100,000 tapi jalanan mana mana macet ... n hanya ada sulphuric petrol fuel ... keterlaluan itu namanya ... sama spt kita bayar wang aman ke boko-haram atau hezbollah
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martinnn wrote:...
kok bisa cancel di last minute gitu ya ...

kasian amat si nissan uda impor setengah mati tiba2 cancel... apa gak ada perjanjian dulu sebelumbya untuk panjer dulu atau cancellation fee 25% gitu
justru NMI untung ... security deposit BB.ilang (12% contract value per lot purchase ... 1 lot commercial purchase = 500 units n bonus oddlot 50 units no security deposit) jadi importduty plus uji type dibayar dg BB fund

cancelled units bisa jadi water test line up itu
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Gan ngitungnya kan bukan hanya harga, yang lain2 :P asuransi, sim gak bisa nembak, polisi gak bisa cincai, ketangkep ngebut dendanya selangit, klo repeat offender dicabut sim + possible jail time :) blm juga aspek sosial yg lain haha.. kata om NR, indonesia tuh most peaceful lawless state, kurang apa coba?

KielConstantine wrote:Makanya nih ane udah muak banget jadi warga negara sini.
Pengen pindah warga negara aja, jd US / German... Uwkwkwk

Duit 1M disini cuman kebeli C250 :frm_bang_head:
di US dapet C63 AMG S :drinking:

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ahmad88 wrote:Gan ngitungnya kan bukan hanya harga, yang lain2 :P asuransi, sim gak bisa nembak, polisi gak bisa cincai, ketangkep ngebut dendanya selangit, klo repeat offender dicabut sim + possible jail time :) blm juga aspek sosial yg lain haha.. kata om NR, indonesia tuh most peaceful lawless state, kurang apa coba?

KielConstantine wrote:Makanya nih ane udah muak banget jadi warga negara sini.
Pengen pindah warga negara aja, jd US / German... Uwkwkwk

Duit 1M disini cuman kebeli C250 :frm_bang_head:
di US dapet C63 AMG S :drinking:

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lawless state tapi ormas ormas pemalak banyaknya bukan main,,,, :big_dunno:
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sim?

sy kluar wang $9 (sembilan usd) u colorado driving license ... hrsnya di tanah es sy kluar wang € 1,800 utk dpt icelandic driving license krn usa bukan EEA member state tapi ...

sy masih punya valid british n dutch licenses jadi sy cukup tunjukkan.... tggu tiga (3).menit foto n ... lsg di kasih spt sy beli ice cream

supir sy juga sama.... dia bekas fulltime taxi driver paris n dpt gratis

kalo siapapun yg mau dpt EU driving license.tapi wang cekak ....ambil sj di greece ... bisa sogok di sana ... itu negara sdh bankrupt ... MVD bisa kasih dg tukar € 150

mau yg tampilan lbh bagus n lbh "EU" pergi poland.....kmn pun police station rata rata bisa sogok € 400 dapet itu license

alamat pake alamat hotel kita inap sj ... lima menit jadi tuh n bukan palsu

mau insurance murah ... cari insurance yg punya branch di ukraine ... insure di sana tapi pakai disini ... sy jamin lbh murah dr insurance manapun di jakarta

kalo mobil tubruk atau ilang mrk pasti ganti ... tdk pakai acara sogok polisi atau siapapun
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ternyata di EU masih ada tempat buat tembak2 & sogok menyogok yah om ...

disini bener2 ga ada poliisi di jalanan, ga kaya Indo om ... di setiap per4an besar ada beberapa, trus pada ngumpet dibelakang tiang buat cegatin yang masuk jalur busway ...

istri saya aja sampe heran2, trus dia bilang "lu nyetir aja sendiri kayanya ga bakalan kena tilang karena ga ada poliisi di jalanan" :D

tiap siang & malam saya jalan kaki bener2 ga pernah ketemu aparat ... paling banyak ketemu mini dozer lagi ngerukin salju ...

oiya tadi saya ke galeria esplanadi, disana ada taruh 1 Tesla warna merah di dalam ...

tapi liat mallnya sini beda jauh dibanding mall nya Jakarta ... di Indo gede2 banget mall nya disini kecil2 trus belok2 ga karuan, udah gitu pintunya tembus jalan2 lain sampe bingung waktu keluar ... untung ada google maps jadi bisa balik ...

kemarin waktu di BKK ke Siam Paragon liat di lantai 3 ada dealer yg jual Rolls Royce, Maseratti, McLaren, Porsche dalam satu lantai & berdekatan ... bikin ngiler aja liatnya ...
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tesla di EU ... termurah yg on stock (hrs beli on line ya) s70d sampai 75

bukan cuma jatah org kaya tapi juga jatah supirtaxi ... ma'lum taxi across EU itu 99% owner operator ... satu org jatah max dua units

kalo males narik tinggal copot rooftop sign ... ganti plaat kuning ke regular (iceland, sweden, norway, denmark, poland, serbia)

kan disini tampilan org kaya n yg tdk kaya tdk bisa dibedain
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ini diambil last summer

last summer sy masuk utan paling dalem ... sy itung ada 50n mobil dibuang ... lengkap sama kunci nempel ... bensin setengah sampai tengki penuh n bgt sy coba idupin ... ada 29 yg lsg idup n masih bunyi garing
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polisi ngumpet disini juga ada tapi spt hrs blajar sama "polisi" di indo krn tiang listrik sekurus itu tdk bs tutup badan polisi itu yg sebesar gardu jaga
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ooh gitu, persis seperti film Taxi bikinan Luc Besson dari Perancis yah ...

saya kirain itu cuma film doang ternyata kenyataannya begitu ... jadi sopir taxi di EU itu seperti uber / grab taxi aja yah ...

mobil2 yang dibuang itu trus nasibnya gimana om ? di loak jadi besi tua atau dilelang ?
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disini sy naik taxi dr airport ke citycenter (40km) ... antara € 100 (uber) sampai € 240 ... (limousine) ... taxi reguler (tesla atau passat combi atau vw multivan lwb atau renault traffic lwb) € 180

ratarata supirtaxi sehari (6jam kerja)bisa 10-15x angkut org dr / ke airport ... 50% gross income u supir (owner) ... sisanya u loan ... & tax ... sy pernah tanya ada supir immigrant dr kurdistan dia bilang dia 20x bawa px 6jam kerja tapi itu overwork mnrt sy

harga mobil tesla termurah € 78,000 onroad private use ... € 100,000 onroad taxi (paket dg maintenance, parts, insurance 5thn)

kalo supir masih anak muda tuh mobil pas malam dipakai pacaran ... sy pernah complaint uber di dlm mobil temu condom bekas dibawah step mat ... n intimate spray di bawah driver's seat ... supirnya local sini

sampah mobil di utan biasanya harga mobil sdh jauh lbh murah drpd denda yg hrs dibayar mulai dr unpaid roadtax ... parkingviolation sampai speeding meski polisi sini jarang kliatan tapi speedcam dmn sj ada

kalo mau pungut terserah sj asal masih bs jalan tapi kalo sdh unrun ... towing tariff tanpa insurance sponsor disini kalo hrs ambil dlm utan ya mahal bisa skitar € 2,000 - 3,000 ... kalo kita lapor ada sampah mobil dlm utan ya biasa municipal govt.yg ambil trus potong potong n jual ... wang mrk ambil u state income
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@om NR mobil yang paling "mahal" yang ketemu di dalem hutan mobil apa om? *penasaran* hahaha
Kalo di indo mah udah di kampakin nemu mobil begitu. spion, speedometer, velg dll.. hahaha..
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mobil mahal buat apa ya.... :big_childish:
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w113 ... pernah sy liat dlm utan tapi kalo foto dr jauh tdk kliatan n kalo dekat diskitar byk moose ..elk ... sy kuatir kena tubruk mrk panicking
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w113 di indo sdh milyard ... disini skitar € 18,000 sdh dpt yg roadworthy n registered
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W113 di indo simpanan om-om berduit.. budget € 18,000 cari w113 di indo mah yang ada di ketawain. Hahaha. :ngacir:
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Setuju sm om NR. Mnrt saya bahayanya dari tax gak karuan gini, pertama duitnya kagak dipake buat bagusin transportasi publik. Kedua, krn transportasi public jelek, orang pd cari kendaraan murah. Ya kalo nggak motor beli mobil murah tp gak peduli safety-nya. Ini bener2 jahat menurut saya. Kalo di Yuro tax-nya msh dipake buat bagusin public transport.
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Bukannya Jokowi mau bangun banyak infrastruktur? At least tax yg tadinya buat subsidi BBM dialihin ke infrastructure is a good thing, right?
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teppey wrote:Indonesia sepertinya memang kalah sama Thailand Dan Malaysia, baru bisa bangga sama Vietnam atau Kamboja. Siapa tau 10 tahun lagi kalah sama Myanmar.
Itu karena recovery ekonomi Indonesia pasca krisis 1998 jauh lebih lambat dari negara tetangga satu kawasan itu. Ini memang sangat disayangkan karena currency IDR memang sangat jeblok dibanding THB dan MYR. Kalau pernah ke BKK dan KL di 1998 memang terlihat perbedaan jauh perkembangannya pra dan pasca krisis Asia 1998. Pernah baca ulasan ekonomi diumpamakan kalau Indonesia seperti Thailand, paling IDR sekarang di posisi Rp3500/USD, posisi di puncak krisis Jan 1998 paling jeblok ke Rp 5500/USD.Bandingkan dengan kenyataan IDR malah pernah jeblok ke Rp17K/USD di puncak krisis Jan 1998 dari posisi awal Rp2200/USD mid 1997. Akibatnya pembangunan infrastruktur Indonesia seperti jalan tol dan lain lain terbengkalai lama dan sudah disalip jauh oleh negara tetangga sekawasan. Sekarang pemerintah mengakui pekerjaan maha berat untuk memulai membangun infrastruktur baru, tapi mau tidak mau harus dilakukan secepat mungkin.
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Indonesia ambil kbjakan yg salah dan akhirnya makin ketinggalan. Thailand potong pajak impor dan permudah investasi asing. Mereka awal2 gak ribut harus soal content local. Perusahaan otomotif masuk, awalnya impor barang. Lama-lama mereka buka pabrik di Thailand dan akhirnya bermunculan industri lokal pendukung. Skrg Thailand jd salah satu pusat produksi mobil global. Indon, belagu, orang mo investasi dibikin ribet. Pake content local lah, buka pabrik, pajak mobil tinggi lah dsbnya. Lah investor ngeliat aturan ribet mana mau masuk. Ntar buka pabrik malah dipajekin kyk sapi perah. Makanya kita ketinggalan dan bakal ketinggalan sm vietnam. Makin suram aja industri kita, termasuk industri otomotif.
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(early)indo auto industry scheme itu role model buat bbrp negara

local partner pairing (adopted by) zhonghua (50:50), taiwan, skorea (foreign majority), india (50:50), iran (49:51), malay (govt.approval required), srilanka (foreign majority)

CKD importing: taiwan, skorea(pre 2001) india, iran, bangladesh, pakistan, vietnam

high import tariff barrier**: skorean, india, iran, malay, spore (** cbu importation), india (50%),

non tariff barrier (indo: 1973-1999): zhonghua (until 2003), taiwan (until 2000), skorea (until 2001), india (until 2000), vietnam.(1975-2005)

min local content requirement: zhonghua (75%), taiwan (50%), skorea (75%), iran (60%), malay (75% asean built), vietnam.(30%)

sayang sang-guru tdk highly consistent dg ajaran ajaran dia sendiri sehingga skrg tertinggal n kalah cantik dr murid.murid dia

auto industry indo itu nasip sama dg agriculture sector indo .. jadi guru tapi ahirnya most backwarded