Toyota sedang mengalami ujian berat - PART 01

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jalu wrote:
DOHC wrote:btw kalo soal lega2an di kelas hatchback... ga ada yg bisa lawan lipina XR/ xgear dahhh... plg2 jg cuman new jazz yg bisa tandingin...
pertanyaannya..apakah bentuk XR/XGear lbh disukai oleh para "mentri keuangan" ketimbang jazz.....?? :drinking: :drinking:
sayang skali tidak kak... mentri2 tsb uda bosen liat benda2 yg serba kotak di rumah, kulkas, tv, kompor smua kotak..masa mobil masi mengkotak... harus nya yg membulat donk... :upss: :upss:
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DOHC wrote:
jalu wrote:jazz laku karena bentuknya disukai oleh para "mentri keuangan"............... :upss:

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bentuk nya imut2 sehh... :upss: :upss: :upss: tapi yaris yg membulat kaya telur jg imut koq... makanya dia jadi second winner... bandingin ama lipina xgear yg kaya batu bata, atau swift yg kaya teko air... jauhh dari peminat kaum hawa nya...
apalagi kalo ketemu livina yang warna merah bata...
trus swiftnya yang item.. persis dah teko air dan batu bata... :big_slap:
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DOHC wrote:btw kalo soal lega2an di kelas hatchback... ga ada yg bisa lawan lipina XR/ xgear dahhh... plg2 jg cuman new jazz yg bisa tandingin...
itu dia... moso kata sales honda masih gedean new jazz daripada XR... emang bener ya?
kalo sepenglihatan ane sih masih gedean XR/XGear sih.... harusnya diukur bener yak...
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iya chiong....saya jg gak sangka ternyata XR/XGear lega euy....duduk di row 2 kaki leluasa...
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FortunerMan wrote:Pilihan terbaik buat ane sih Jazz emang...walaupun ane bukan menteri apapun :P LEGA bener, footprint kecil, handling bagus, mesin kenceng, reliable, resale bagus. Perfect balance. Paling kalah fitur2 aja...
footprint ini maksudnya opo toh om?

trus, bukannya jazz paling lengkap featurenya dibanding yaris, swift, livina? :e-think:
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asudarsono wrote:Weleh ngebut lagi nih tret ..... gue jadi lupa tadi mau nanya apa ya?
nih tak pelanin :mrgreen:
asudarsono wrote:Income or profit?
Bad accounting knowledge or bad english? :mrgreen:
http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/inc ... margin.htm
Operating income, or operating profit as it is sometimes called, is the total pre-tax profit a business generated from its operations. It is what is available to the owners before a few other items need to be paid such as preferred stock dividends and income taxes
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kalo yg ane rasain sehh utk leg room row ke 2 nya, xgear dan new jazz sama aja feeling nya... termasuk ketika di masukin 3 orang... tapi yg berasa tuh head room, xgear kayanya lebi lapang... dan ruang bagasi xgear lebi gede dari new jazz...
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btw, kalo bole dbilang, antara xgear dan new jazz harus nya sehh secara teknis ga mungkin row 2 beda jauh kalo soal lega... scara mereka uda sama2 punya wheelbase 2600mm... bandingkan dgn swift, yaris atau jazz gen 1 yg masi 2400an mm...
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DOHC wrote:btw, kalo bole dbilang, antara xgear dan new jazz harus nya sehh secara teknis ga mungkin row 2 beda jauh kalo soal lega... scara mereka uda sama2 punya wheelbase 2600mm... bandingkan dgn swift, yaris atau jazz gen 1 yg masi 2400an mm...
honda jazz?? 2nd row?? kurang cukup lega menurut gw..
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utk ukuran hatch back mustinya sehh uda ckup lega sehh om nes... bandingkan dgn yaris atau swift... ane kalo duduk di blakang kadang suka kejedug ama plafon...
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DOHC wrote:utk ukuran hatch back mustinya sehh uda ckup lega sehh om nes... bandingkan dgn yaris atau swift... ane kalo duduk di blakang kadang suka kejedug ama plafon...
nambhin dikit oom noken, maksud ane, leg room di jazz.. meskipun mereka bilang ada pelebaran leg room dr versi sebelumnya..
kalau swift kyanya iya, head roomnya kurang,, kalau yaris,, hmm,, agak cukup lega sih..
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kalo soal leg room row 2 sehh ane blom ketemu hatchback kluaran atpm jepang sini yg mnurut ane lega... smua nya tetep aja sempit kalo uda masuk 3 orang... cuman beda nya skrg uda kaga menggantung lagi kaki nya sperti di sedan2 jadul...
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Tapi I nyari alat transportasi juga, sekarang pindah ke nissan om FM.. dari ipah ke Xtrail... :big_peace:

Tapi setelah liat fiesta di malaysia sini, gw jadi berpikir untuk mengganti vios gw, gw akan ambil vios lagi atau altis bekas.. not this car... Rasanya untuk model, toyota lebih bikin mobil yang tahan lama modelnya... gak kaya lain2 yang berani bikin model bagus2 n baru2 tapi gak terlalu tahan lama di selera masyarakat...
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ga mau ambil xgear aja om (jahh koq malah bahas hatchback.. :big_weee: :big_weee: )....
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DOHC wrote:kalo soal leg room row 2 sehh ane blom ketemu hatchback kluaran atpm jepang sini yg mnurut ane lega... smua nya tetep aja sempit kalo uda masuk 3 orang... cuman beda nya skrg uda kaga menggantung lagi kaki nya sperti di sedan2 jadul...
apalagi masuknya sama saya... :ngacir:

yaya, posisi kakinya jadi lebih enak
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gak mau oom noken.. sedan only, n kayanya akan toyota only at the moment.. yang modelnya tahan lama dan harganya "pas".. banyak sedan bagus tapi harganya gak "pas" dan banyak sedan "pas" harganya, tapi bentuknya gak bagus...
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kebetulan pernah pake livina xr matic 8 bulanan..mobilnya kalo di rpm tinggi enak banget dan bisa kenceng banget, dan terus makin ganas makin naik rpm nya..pernah tembus ke 180 km/jam di cipularang, tapi kalo rpm rendah agak repot, respon gas ngelag dan paling kerasa kalo ke jalanan luar kota byk tanjakan naik turun belok belok kyk ke tasik, wah musti rajin2 mainin matic nya od on/off ato pindah ke 2...mobil ini iriiiit ..sayang yg punya saya kena masalah setir bunyi gluduk kl belok patah..dah dua kali ke beres masih masalah..mobil ini juga sensitif dan suka ngelitik sama bensin ron 88...

kebetulan menteri keuangan pake ANJ udah ampir dua tahun, kalo nyupirin sih enak jazz dibanding livina xr mah...lega kabin sih mirip, jok lebih empuk livina tapi lebih ergonomis dan mantap si jazz, bagasi gedean livina tapi jazz kalo pake lipet2an kursi mah gedeeee pisan..utk suspensi lebih empuk livina (tambah ban jg lebih tebel kali ya..), rasanya kok lebih boros jazz ya (gaya nyetir sama), masalah feedback setir kagak ngarti deh tapi respon setir, posisi nyetir, posisi pedal, lebih enak jazz menurut saya..

kalo yaris, gak bisa dapet posisi nyetir yg enak..tapi leg room belakang lumayan lebih baik dari swift, cm bagasi kalah jauh dari livina dan kalah dari jazz..dan (ini sih subyektif) gak suka posisi meter spido, tacho dll di tengah dashboard..

kalo saya yaris vs jazz vs livina xr = jazz...fortuner vs xtrail = xtrail t31 (empuk, alluusss, senyap, torsi okeh..kl nyetir cruising nikmaaat);....tapi innova vs oddysey = innova... :e-snooty: ; camry vs accord = camry; rossi vs lorenzo = rossi; spanyol vs belanda = spanyol
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nahh itu dia... posisi setir yaris agak "tinggi".. mungkin bagi sbagian orang enak.. tapi kalo bagi ane rada kurang enak aja scara ane kbiasaan nyetir pengen nya setir serendah mungkin...
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DOHC wrote:utk ukuran hatch back mustinya sehh uda ckup lega sehh om nes... bandingkan dgn yaris atau swift... ane kalo duduk di blakang kadang suka kejedug ama plafon...
mod nescafe wrote: honda jazz?? 2nd row?? kurang cukup lega menurut gw..
om dohc, ini mah bukan salah mobilnya... harusnya om mod nescafe pakenya elysson. kalo jazz mah kekecilan untuk die... :ngacir:
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hitutbaw wrote:...

kalo saya yaris vs jazz vs livina xr = jazz...fortuner vs xtrail = xtrail t31 (empuk, alluusss, senyap, torsi okeh..kl nyetir cruising nikmaaat);....tapi innova vs oddysey = innova... :e-snooty: ; camry vs accord = camry; rossi vs lorenzo = rossi; spanyol vs belanda = spanyol
Naah,.. kalo innova vs new oddysey pilih mana Om? dan kenapa?
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pilih ipah tuh dibanding odc.... :e-think:
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koq bandinginnya beda kelas. odyssey kan harganya 2x lipatnya innova :e-think:
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saya mah pilih ipah aja dah.....sebab spare partnya bisa dibeli di toko2 onderdil pinggir jalan.......... :ungg:
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maskopat wrote:
DOHC wrote:utk ukuran hatch back mustinya sehh uda ckup lega sehh om nes... bandingkan dgn yaris atau swift... ane kalo duduk di blakang kadang suka kejedug ama plafon...
mod nescafe wrote: honda jazz?? 2nd row?? kurang cukup lega menurut gw..
om dohc, ini mah bukan salah mobilnya... harusnya om mod nescafe pakenya elysson. kalo jazz mah kekecilan untuk die... :ngacir:
elisien jg masi kekecilan om... musti nya toyota hilux atau mitsu strada triton tuh... :upss: :upss: :upss:
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btw oddysey ama ipahh sehh biar kata odc generasi sblom ini jg ane masi pilih odc kmana2 sehh... ipah mahh kalah jauh utk handling, performance, gengsi, fun to drive nya dari odc...
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