Nissan TIIDA hatchback 1800 cc Indonesian Motor Show 2006

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Sori, tapi gue geli you orang bilang insider info lah, spy kid lah

Apaan sih, tentang Tiida mau masuk sih beritanya udah basi, dari awal 2005 juga udah ada Pak

Interior warna beige = new info? :lol:
Coba liat deh foto Tiida di website Nissan, dari keluar taun 2004 juga interiornya emang warna terang begitu dan gak ada warna lain lagi lah!
Oya beige itu beda sama cream Pak, beige itu warna tan kalo cream itu jauh lebih terang!
Interior Tiida itu warnanya lebih deket ke light grey daripada cream/beige.
Semua detil Tiida itu bisa diliat di website Nissan, udah bukan misteri macem2 lagi lah. Harga juga gampang aja kalo diitung, udah pasti minimal sama dgn Yaris Jazz kalo mesin 1500cc, maksimal lewat 200 juta kalo 1800cc. Kalo detil ada beda juga paing didowngrade lah, kayak Fit didowngrade abis abisan jadi Jazz versi Indo

Oya interior Tiida itu gak pake warna kayu Pak, tapi pake plastik dicat warna silver kaya Yaris, kalo yg pake warna kayu itu Latio sedan yang gak jadi masuk sini. Kayunya juga panel plastik dicet, bukan yg dipake Teana lah. Gak percaya? Liat aja nanti.

Sori, tp gue ga tahan ngeliat you orang kok heboh gitu. Tiida ini modelnya biasa aja tuh, gue pernah liat dr deket kok gak kaya mobil model baru, malah kaya udah agak tua gitu. Jauh lebih keren Yaris lah! gue bakal heran kalo nanti salesnya bisa kaya Yaris atou Jazz apalagi pasar mobil baru lagi ancur ancuran kaya gini. Honda aja cuma Jazz yg masih laku, Toyota sih banyak dr Avanza Innova Yaris Fortuner. Paling paling cuma jadi penggembira pasar, kayak Serena ke Innova.

How many people sih bakal beli Tiida daripada Yaris? You orang disini yang heboh Tiida, coba angkat tangan, sapa yang mau inden begitu udah launching? Jujur aja Pak..
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Nih bedanya CREAM, BEIGE(TAN) sama Latio punya
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@Xemnas

Udah lama ya pak baca2 thread ini, tapi baru join hari ini?
ato member lama trus bela2-in join lagi pake nick baru?

Mengenai Tiida, saya sih cuman mau berbagi info, kalo anda merasa lebih tau, ya kenapa gak share dari dulu....
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baru tau forum ini semingguan Pak lagi cari info mobil baru di Indonesian Motor Show nih

Info tiida ini kan udah banyak di majalah dan internet Pak gak ada yang baru buat versi lokal
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So you mau inden Tiida di Indonesian Motor Show buat gantiin Jazz you yg di foto itu?
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oya itu gue attach foto kok urutannya jadi kacau gitu ya kenapa ya
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Arak lama di botol baru .....
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Katanya ada Jazz baru juga di Indonesian Motor Show
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yup jazz facelift..tp ga terlalu wah...cuma tambahan sen di spion..front and rear bumper...batok lampu yg sewarna ama body...itu yg saya tau...jd masi sama2 aja...yg ada harus bayar extra cost...
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apakah toyota prius dan honda civic hybrid dah ada di indonesia??dan yg saya tau itu mobil berdua mesin hybrid...jd mobil bensin paling hemat tu tiida..makin lama persaingan mobil makin seru...
dgn semakin banyaknya mobil irit dan hybrid..semakin memperjelas bahwa minyak bumi di dunia semakin menipis...
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prius ada dijual oleh IU, sedangkan civic hybrid udah dijual resmi oleh HPM, gak gembar gembor karena price list nya 400jt (jakarta), mestinya bisa kurang kalo keadaan sepi begini.... coba aja anda ke dealer honda, inden nya cuma 2 minggu
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Bung Mike,

I need a small favour from U again. Bisa kah anda mancing supaya tau ini Tiida kapan launchingnya.

Cause I mau nonton iklan Tiida di TV. Biasanya saya nonton Indovision, jarang lihat TV National yang penuh dengan sinetron. Tapi di indovision ngak ada iklan ATPM.

I juga ada feeling, iklan Tiida nanti akan menarik dan interesting.

Are U sure its 1500 cc ? Cause I pernah dengar di Thailand cuman ada 1600 cc dan 1800 cc. Jangan jangan 1600 cc dan karena kena pajak di atas 1500 cc thats why harganya agak menjauh dari Yaris / Jazz. Atau NMI success minta Nissan Jepang kirim mesin 1500 cc supaya di rakit di Thai khusus untuk pasar Indo ? But I doubt that.
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Udah pernah saya tanya tempo hari...

Akan di Launch bulan Oktober, nunggu Mr Ghons dateng..

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OK. Thanks bung Mike.

Cuman kalau gitu nanti Indonesian Motor Show lihat apa dong ? Avanza / Xenia facelift, terus Sirius, Jazz facelift, what else ? Ngak banyak mobil baru dong ?


I still find it hard to believe Ghosn datang dan launch Tiida. I mean kalau Ghosn datang dan ikut launch AUV masih masuk akal, cause AUV proyek besar dan targetnya ribuan per bulan. Kalau Tiida can secondary target, paling sebulan berapa ratus unit sudah lumayan.


Perhaps dengan sepinya pasar, apalagi Nissan yang saat ini line-upnya mahal mahal, volume pasti lagi gawat sekarang. Maybe they somehow managed to speed up AUV's launch to Oct, bersamaan dengan launch di China ? And Mr. Ghosn will be the guy to open the curtains ?


Pls keep us updated. I wonder what is Ghosn's agenda kali ini datang ke Indo. Masa cuman ngintip progress upgrade pabrik di Purwakarta ? Kayaknya I smell something big about to happen from NMI, kalau ngak kok the Big Boss bisa datang sendiri ?
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tadi gw liat mobil polisi pake tiida, lucu juga..hehehe..gw yakin tuh mobil dikasi dari nissan, soalny plat nya "TII-DA" hehehehhe...lucu2..pengen foto, gak keinget ama sithlord sehh..

btw2, TIIDA harga 220 juta???? gak salahh??mahall aamat?

IMS kapan seh??di Jakarta kan?gw pengen kesono neh pas balik indo nanti..
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ghahahaha.. ngmg2, tiida yang bakal ada di indo yang sedan apa yang hatchback sihh?yang hatchback looks better, I think... taillight Z wannabe.. =P

dsni sih harganya seharga lancer n civic... saya rasa bakal sulit jualnya tuh di indo..soalnya konsumen lebih cenderung beli corolla, civic, or lancer daripada ini, dan nama baik tu penting banget untuk orang indo kbanyakan, gak seterbuka orang 2 dsni, for instance bung mike, sithlord, dll...dsni juga TII-DAk begitu banyak sihh nissan tiida...
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Sithlord wrote:OK. Thanks bung Mike.

Cuman kalau gitu nanti Indonesian Motor Show lihat apa dong ? Avanza / Xenia facelift, terus Sirius, Jazz facelift, what else ? Ngak banyak mobil baru dong ?

I still find it hard to believe Ghosn datang dan launch Tiida. I mean kalau Ghosn datang dan ikut launch AUV masih masuk akal, cause AUV proyek besar dan targetnya ribuan per bulan. Kalau Tiida can secondary target, paling sebulan berapa ratus unit sudah lumayan.
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Huahaha...
Tau gak betapa susahnya gw cari2 alesan utk nelpon Ms "X" di Nissan utk
menanyakan hal2 yg anda curious?
Bisa2 disangka gw naksir dia ntar.... :wink:

Btw, akhirnya gw telp lagi barusan...demi memuaskan hasrat anda...

1. Di IMS, kita akan liat X-Trail Minor Change
2. Tiida kemungkinan (sekali lagi, kemungkinan) tetep akan dipajang di IMS tapi belum tentu dijual.

mengenai Om Ghons,
She said, Sebenernya Ghons memang bukan dtg utk launch Tiida, tapi launching-nya di pas2-in dgn jadwal Ghons ke Indo...
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kalo si gosn gak jadi dateng... nyunatin anak nya misalnya.... gak jadi launching donk... si tiida huehehehehe
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Bisa jadi...

tapi saya gak mau ber andai2 (sok artis mode on)...
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Di Australia bung Skullkid feeling saya bukan Tiidanya yang mahal, tapi Lancer / Civicnya yang murah.

Cause tau sendiri di Indo pajak mobil aneh. CC beda, pajak beda, pantat atau tidak, pajak beda lagi.

And don't expect too many Tiidas in Australia yet bung Skullkid, masih muda dia, baru launching ngak lama di situ. Anyway di Australia banyak mobil lain yang bagus dengan harga murah, thats why Tiida sainggannya di Aussie lebih berat.

Thats why di Indo Civic jadi mahal, tapi Tiida kalau versi 1500 cc keluar, ngak bakal lebih dari 200 juta. Paling 180+-190+ jutaan. Civic gara gara pajak sedan yang tinggi, sekarang sudah hampir 300 juta ! Sudah bukan sedan murah seperti jaman dulu.

Terus terang I juga penasaran, nanti dia keluar apakah konsumen akan meluk dia, atau like U said, tetap allerhi ama mereka, balik ke merek lain.

Cuman I am quite optimistic. Why ? Saat X-Trail keluar CKD nama Nissan lebih kecil lagi tahun 2003. And see what happens ? Malah di tahun 2004 mereka menang CRV. Tahun 2005 kalah dikit, cause X-Trail belum ada versi manualnya yang tau sendiri di Indo popular.

Thats why nanti X-Trail manual keluar, I think they will get back the no.1 SUV in Indonesia crown from Honda, and if Indonesians sangat suka X-Trail, sampai pernah penjualannya sampai 800+ per bulan (untuk mobil harga 250+ juta itu lumayan bagus !), artinya sebenernya the Nissan brand sudah bukan lagi di hindari masyarakat Indonesia.

Thats why I am still optimistic abt the Tiida, so long as the pricing is right...

Bung Mike, I think I know who Ms " X " is. She is quite beautiful ! Tell her I love her ! (dengan nada lagu " Tell Laura I love her, tell Laura I need her ... ") But thats a few years ago. Sekarang ngak tau deh ...

And I last heard news salah satu mobil yang di pajang adalah Nissan Sport Concept, cantik itu mobil.
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Despite of its great financial success, to be honest, I am not convinced with the cars created by Nissan in the era of Carlos Ghosn. In my opinion, his emphasis on low cost made most Nissan cars too average - average quality, average market positioning, lack of innovations and free of risks. In other words, boring. You might argue that it has 350Z, but then again Nissan used to have 300ZX twin-turbo, Skyline GT-R and Pulsar GTi-R. And if it wanted, it could have put the dream car Mid-4 into production as well.

Admittedly, when comes to the bread-and-butter Sunny / Sentra / Almera, Nissan used to play it safe. However, under the guidance of Le Cost Killer, today it plays even safer. This can be easily seen in the new Tiida.

Tiida is the successor to Sunny. At first you might think Nissan sacrificed the long-serving Sunny nameplate in pursue for a new image, but then you realize "Tiida" actually means "the sun" in a Japanese dialect. New bottle, old wine.

iida comes in 2 body style - a boring 5-door hatchback and an even more boring 4-door sedan called "Tiida Latio". Two cars are basically the same except the boot and the rear seat. The rear seat of the hatchback can slide back and forth for 24 cm to vary luggage space from 289 to 463 litres. In contrast, thanks to the big boot (467 litres), the sedan does not need sliding rear seat.

You might find the hatchback look like a Renault Megane. In fact, the Tiida is not built on the Megane platform (note: sorry for my earlier mistake) but on the Renault-Nissan group's B-platform which gave birth to March, Cube, Note, Renault Modus and Clio III. These cars share high percentage of components thus allows the group to source components globally at lower prices, because the quantity they purchase is multiplied. On the down side, Le Cost Killer killed not only cost but also the individual character of Nissan's biggest selling car.

It would have been better if Tiida look as stylish as Megane, but it isn't. One thing Tiida did proved: Renault design boss Patrick Le Quement is really a genius. Based on the same size, he can shaped a masterpiece while Nissan's sculptors resulted in something this boring. Car design is really a magical thing.

If you are not convinced, listen another story: do you know why one year after its launch in Japan the Tiida still hasn't landed the USA market? rumor said that earlier this year Nissan showed the car to some selected American families secretly to test reaction. The feedback about its styling was very bad thus Carlos Ghosn ordered a restyle before it can go on sale in the USA. (Update on 2005-10-05: eventually, Nissan cannot wait any longer and it decided to export the Tiida to USA with little facelift and a new name "Versa". However, the Versa is not going to replace the old Sentra. A larger new Sentra will be introduced within 2 years.)

Still not convinced ? listen one more story: half a year since Tiida went on sale in Hong Kong, I saw it just once on public streets. During the same period, I saw a dozen Porsche 997 Carrera S, a couple of Lamborghini Gallardo, a Porsche Carrera GT, a Ferrari F50…. you can see how unpopular it is.

The platform donated by Renault Megane is never outstanding. It employs struts and torsion-beam suspensions and electric power steering just like any cost conscious European family hatches. Converting it to the taste of Japanese made it even more unremarkable - very light steering totally lacks feel, very soft suspensions lead to a lot of body roll, and the rear drum brakes lack stopping power. The way it drives is as boring as the way it looks.

The engine and transmission are a little better, but still fall in the average category. Nissan says the newly developed HR15DE engine has all-alloy construction and special treatment to reduce friction and improve thermal efficiency, but it has neither variable valve timing nor variable intake manifolds. On paper the 1.5-litre 16V engine delivering 109 horsepower is quite remarkable, but by JIS standard that is only average. On the road, the engine runs quite smoothly, but not particularly eager or refined. At higher rpm it sounds rather noisy. Transmission is similarly uninspiring. Tiida employs a CVT transmission as standard. Although it has no much rubber band effect, it has no manual mode to excite its driver either.

After all those average performance, we finally found an outstanding area of Tiida: cabin space. And this is really outstanding. Nissan said the cabin of Tiida is by far the biggest in the class. From the throttle pedal to the rear seat the total length of the cabin is 2035 mm. What does that mean? you will be amazed by comparing this with its rivals: Toyota Corolla (1915 mm), Honda Civic sedan (1865 mm), Mazda 3 (1825 mm)…. it even matches the current Infiniti Q45 !!! besides, its cabin height is also the largest in class. No wonder Tiida's back seat feels super-roomy ! passengers have enormous legroom and headroom matching or even surpassing cars a class above !

Look at the spec sheet, you will find the Tiida has just an average wheelbase of 2600 mm. How can it achieve that amount of interior space ? from starter, its engine and transmission are designed to be as slim as possible so that the engine compartment can be reduced, pushing the firewall forward. This free up the front passenger space. At the back, the Tiida employs a slightly narrower rear seat which can be slotted between the rear wheels. This contributes to most of the additional space, although shoulder room suffers a little. Predictably, the luggage space is sacrificed. Therefore the hatchback Tiida offers a sliding rear seat to compensate.

Apart from space, the cabin is pretty well trimmed. The plastics are soft-touch ones and most surfaces are covered with soft padding. The dashboard design emphasis living room ambience, using high-quality faux wood to resemble Japanese furniture, a strategy started by big brother Teana / Cefiro. Unfortunately, the materials and switch gears fail to deliver the solidity and ultimate quality feel as the best European hatchbacks.

The Tiida is an accountant-driven car, a typical Carlos Ghosn car. From the engine, transmission, suspensions, steering to the packaging, everywhere has signs of cost concern. To keep cost down and free of risk, it employs the most conventional mechanicals and execute in the most predictable way (well, that sliding rear seat is not an innovation actually, just copied from various MAVs). Nissan is paying the price for being too conservative this time. In the competitive market, innovative and fun-looking cars always have an advantage over boring cars. Sometimes Carlos
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Mike wrote: 1. Di IMS, kita akan liat X-Trail Minor Change
2. Tiida kemungkinan (sekali lagi, kemungkinan) tetep akan dipajang di IMS tapi belum tentu dijual.

mengenai Om Ghons,
She said, Sebenernya Ghons memang bukan dtg utk launch Tiida, tapi launching-nya di pas2-in dgn jadwal Ghons ke Indo...
Xtrail minor changenya kayaknya ada [cencored] appeal tuh (buat saya) hehehe..ganti apa aja bung mike?boleh tanyain ke miss X (lagi)?heheheheh..

@sithlord: yup, tapi akhirnya penjualannya juga sebanding kan?untuk toyota, honda, yang dah pny market power sebelumnya, tentunya bakal lebih mudah mempertahankan pasar lah, dy bsa aj kasi bonus ini itu, dll, untuk memperkuat market sharenya..sedangkan tiida msti dari 0..inilah sedan kecil pertama nissan..hehehehe..kita liat saja..smoga bisa makin rame...

@bung sith ama mike: liat2 di atas Tiida indo pake msin 1500 cc??masak sih?gak taw kalo yang dari jepang, kayaknya yang sini 1800cc smua deh..yang bakal masuk indo versi apa?CBU?
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Mike wrote: Huahaha...
Tau gak betapa susahnya gw cari2 alesan utk nelpon Ms "X" di Nissan utk
menanyakan hal2 yg anda curious?
Bisa2 disangka gw naksir dia ntar.... :wink:
kalo bisa untung ganda sabeet aja, bung mike..=P Apalagi kalo bodynya kayak 350Z.. hehehehe

Miss X itu kedudukannya apa?SPG?manager?director???=Pp
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teckteck wrote: ..................The Tiida is an accountant-driven car, a typical Carlos Ghosn car. From the engine, transmission, suspensions, steering to the packaging, everywhere has signs of cost concern. To keep cost down and free of risk, it employs the most conventional mechanicals and execute in the most predictable way (well, that sliding rear seat is not an innovation actually, just copied from various MAVs). Nissan is paying the price for being too conservative this time. In the competitive market, innovative and fun-looking cars always have an advantage over boring cars. Sometimes Carlos
Ghosn can be wrong.

Menarik sekali....
gw pribadi sih bilang emang Tiida ini gak akan
bisa mukul Jazz & Yaris
Gw udah longok2 sebentar, dan bener, such a boring...

Oh ya itu tulisan anda sendiri?
Nice......

Nih ada tulisan dari tempat lain :
Tiida lands in a market overflowing with talent from all over the world and its unique blend of abilities pitches it against competitors in both the Euro and Japanese camps.

The platform-sharing Mazda 3 and Ford Focus have the dynamic edge over Tiida: sharper chassis', more feelsome steering and harder charging four-cylinders create sporting characters the Tiida can't match, but the Nissan counters with better ride compliance and substantially better refinement over all surfaces.

VW's Polo heads the pack in terms of interior quality and an inherent sense of polish, while still being a solid steer and great value. Polo has a slight edge over Tiida in terms of ride and refinement, but lacks the (relatively) monstrous interior space and flexibility of Tiida.

Toyota's Corolla certainly has the runs on the board in terms of huge sales, but is inferior to Tiida and other class leaders in every respect. Ageing platform, suspect dynamics, hideously cheap interior. Shouldn't break down though...

French offerings from Renault and Peugeot in the Clio and 206 (and to a lesser extent the 307) respectively, offer differing takes on the Euro approach. Clio runs with the best from a dynamics point of view, but surrenders to Tiida in interior space, presentation and value. The Pug 206 offers a fairly sharp and dynamically competent package, but is over the hill in terms of refinement, interior quality, space and has a woeful ride over our rough Aussie roads.

Two Japanese offerings worth a look include the all-new eight-gen' Civic and Suzuki's Swift. Both are accomplished packages that offer a more sporting drive than Tiida, but in a fairly familiar story lose out to the Nissan for interior space and refinement.
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mmg saya juga sadar, orang indo harus banyak blajar referencing style guide, saya dicekokin kayak gituan dsni, gak bolegh plagiarism, gak kayak di indo, bwat tugas copy paste internet..buehehehehe.... =P

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