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sharing dong, saya mau tau bagaimana handling kedua mobil ini? bagaimana kenyamanan di jalan tol, jalan kota yang macet, serta jalan rusak..bagaimana juga kondisi penumpang di row ke dua dan ketiga(untuk innova)...tolong sharing juga ya mengenai kedua mobil ini !thaaanks :off_man:
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numpang nambah postingan ane yah.... ane perna make ipah bensin manual 2000cc taon 2005, itu perna ane make kira2 3 bulan karena waktu itu mobil ane dipinjem ama paman ane... kalo soal setir sih lumayan feedback nya walaupun tidak bisa dibilang ringan setir nya ipah, yg jadi masalah bagi ane sigh soal blindspot nya ipah, somehow ane rada susah liat sisi2 body dari nigh mobil di spion, jadi agak susah kalo mo nyelip2 di kemacetan... bantingan sigh cukup empuk logh ipah, jauh lebi empuk dari panther atau crv walaupun tidak seempuk xtrail atau livina tentu nya, jadi menurut ane cukup pas nigh mobil utk kontur jalan indo... utk baris row ke 2 dan 3, cukup lega, sebagai gambaran, ane tinggi 170 cm dgn berat 56 kg, dapat duduk dgn leluasa di baris ketiga ipah... padahal kalo di livina, waduh, mentok dengkul euy.... kalo soal tarikan stop and go pas macet, di ipah musti pinter2 cari momentum antara lepas kopling dan injek gas nya, soalnya emang agak lemot, mungkin agak berat kali nigh mobil... dan satu lagi, cukup boros jg neh mobil, dulu ane pake rute dalkot pake premium cuman dapet 1:7an....


kalo GV kayanya musti nunggu yg nick nya Abu2 alias wan abu utk sharing nehh...
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kalo soal tarikan stop and go pas macet, di ipah musti pinter2 cari momentum antara lepas kopling dan injek gas nya, soalnya emang agak lemot, mungkin agak berat kali nigh mobil... dan satu lagi, cukup boros jg neh mobil, dulu ane pake rute dalkot pake premium cuman dapet 1:7an....


kalo GV kayanya musti nunggu yg nick nya Abu2 alias wan abu utk sharing nehh...[/quote]

oiah..kenapa kopling ipah terasa berat ya? :e-clap:

hemmm.ada apa dengan mr.abu2? :ungg:
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kebetulan saya ada keduanya.Ipah G manual bensin 08 & GV matic 08. :big_peace:

Jika mencari kenyamanan, bantingan suspensi ipah jelas lbh lembut sementara GV lbh stiff/firm, tapi untuk stabiltas GV lbh unggul baik di trek lurus atau tikungan krn bodyroll nya minim, Inova kalo buat dipake di rute byk tikungan gejala limbungnya terasa, penumpang jg terkadang suka pusing. Tapi sokbreker depan bawaan GV agak rewel, gampang bunyi2...solusinya ganti sokbreker aftermarket contoh kayaba XL-G. Kalo dijalan rusak jalannya pelan2 ya enakan pake ipah, tapi kalo hantam kromo mendingan pake GV,hehehehe...

masalah performa juga hampir sama, top speed mirip2 (kisaran 160 kpj), delay throttle krn DBW jg mirip (wong TB assy keduanya jg persis kok,hehehe)... karena ipah manual jadi pada saat pindah gigi, gas mesti agak diatur supaya lbh halus (karena ada jeda di pedal gas).FC keduanya mirip2 untuk dalkot (sekitar 1:7.5), bedanya kalo rute tol lukot GV lbh irit sedikit (mungkin krn gear ratio GV matic lbh halus)

akomodasi penumpang juga hampir sama, bisa dibilang ruang kaki keduanya cukup lega, GV unggul di ruang bahu yang lbh leluasa, tp ipah jg unggul dng row ke3 plus triple blower. Untuk adu fitur GV jauh lbh unggul. panel plastik interior inova lbh solid, minim sekali rattle..sementara GV panel2 plastik interiornya suka bunyi2...entah kenapa...kualitas plastiknya bagus tapi sepertinya tingkat presisinya kurang baik.

visibilitas di inova terkadang merepotkan, krn moncongnya yang menukik kebawah plus pilar kaca depan yang besar. sementara GV juga mesti perhatikan sisi sampingnya karena fendernya gembung, untung ada spion tambahan di sebelah kiri yang cukup membantu

so..menurut saya keduanya susah dibandingkan head to head...krn beda kategori meski harganya mendekati. kalo anda cari kenyamanan, space kabin 7 seat dengan kualitas yang solid rasanya lbh baik pilih ipah, tapi kalo suka dengan banyak fitur, stabilitas, GC lbh tinggi dan hanya butuh 5 seat maka GV layak dipilih.

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kopling ipah malah kaga berat logh bro... tapi liat jg sigh sblom nya make mobil apa, kalo kaya ane yg biasa pake panther atau mobil2 diesel, jelas kopling kaya ipah mahh enteng...
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beuh...saya biasa nginjek kopling karimun trus nginjek kopling ipah ya enteng.... :mrgreen:
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emang karimun keras bro kopling nya ?? baru tau ane... blom perna cobain sigh...
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mungkin krn dia mekanismenya kawat...jadi gak se-smooth ipah yang hidrolik...tapi kalo tongkat perseneling emang lbh lembut ipah...jauh banget dibanding karimun yang alot :upss:
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nah itu dia, tongkat perseneling si ipahh... dulu ane rada parno nyetir tuh mobil soalnya kadang salah masuk gigi, dari gigi 4 mo ke 5 malah masuk ke 3.... kalo salah ngamar masi mending... ini malah salah gigi... penumpang pada ngamuk smua jadinya...
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hehehe.....ciri khas girbok kijang buat yang awal2 pake emang suka gt...1 ke 2 rada susah, dr 4 ke 5 suka mleset ke 3....gigi mundur lbh susah (bunyi krrrekk) :mrgreen:
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nah kalo unit ipah yg ane coba itu utk gearbox mulus om, gampang masuk smua gigi kcuali yah itu sering meleset doank... oh iya satu lagi, kopling nya koq aneh yah, agak kaya mbelesek kedalem gt... jadi kira2 dari posisi full keangkat ampe sprempat turun nya itu koq pedal nya kaya kendor pegas nya atau kaya cuman goyang2 gt doank... rada bikin kagok kalo blom biasa sigh...
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jalu wrote:hehehe.....ciri khas girbok kijang buat yang awal2 pake emang suka gt...1 ke 2 rada susah, dr 4 ke 5 suka mleset ke 3....gigi mundur lbh susah (bunyi krrrekk) :mrgreen:
gigi 4 ke 5 itu keknya mirip bgt 'jalur' perpindahannya dengan ke gigi 3, jadi merasa ragu2 pas lagi pindahin ke gigi 5, takut malah masuk ke gigi 3. apa mobil2 baru emang gitu ya?
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mungkin jg di ipah, celah di tiap gigi nya agak longgar, makanya biarpun uda di gerakin ke kanan, tetep aja masuk ke si 3...
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DOHC wrote:nah itu dia, tongkat perseneling si ipahh... dulu ane rada parno nyetir tuh mobil soalnya kadang salah masuk gigi, dari gigi 4 mo ke 5 malah masuk ke 3.... kalo salah ngamar masi mending... ini malah salah gigi... penumpang pada ngamuk smua jadinya...
hmmm,, persenelingnya seperti kurang presisis gitu ya oom? :roll:
yg gw agak ragu kalau mau masuk gigi 5,,, :roll:
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DOHC wrote:nah kalo unit ipah yg ane coba itu utk gearbox mulus om, gampang masuk smua gigi kcuali yah itu sering meleset doank... oh iya satu lagi, kopling nya koq aneh yah, agak kaya mbelesek kedalem gt... jadi kira2 dari posisi full keangkat ampe sprempat turun nya itu koq pedal nya kaya kendor pegas nya atau kaya cuman goyang2 gt doank... rada bikin kagok kalo blom biasa sigh...
maksudnya...di saat pedal kopling awal diinjak ada daerah "kosong"nya yah, kalo ditoyota bilangnya itu free play...meski terkesan oblak pedalnya....hehehehe.... :upss:
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jalu wrote:
DOHC wrote:nah kalo unit ipah yg ane coba itu utk gearbox mulus om, gampang masuk smua gigi kcuali yah itu sering meleset doank... oh iya satu lagi, kopling nya koq aneh yah, agak kaya mbelesek kedalem gt... jadi kira2 dari posisi full keangkat ampe sprempat turun nya itu koq pedal nya kaya kendor pegas nya atau kaya cuman goyang2 gt doank... rada bikin kagok kalo blom biasa sigh...
maksudnya...di saat pedal kopling awal diinjak ada daerah "kosong"nya yah, kalo ditoyota bilangnya itu free play...meski terkesan oblak pedalnya....hehehehe.... :upss:
iya, jd bingung buat menentukan timing yg pas saat angkat kopling dan buka gas... :e-think:
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nescafe wrote:
DOHC wrote:nah itu dia, tongkat perseneling si ipahh... dulu ane rada parno nyetir tuh mobil soalnya kadang salah masuk gigi, dari gigi 4 mo ke 5 malah masuk ke 3.... kalo salah ngamar masi mending... ini malah salah gigi... penumpang pada ngamuk smua jadinya...
hmmm,, persenelingnya seperti kurang presisis gitu ya oom? :roll:
yg gw agak ragu kalau mau masuk gigi 5,,, :roll:
bener bro, kaya kurang presisi gt, perasaan uda gerakin ke kanan, eh gt lepas kopling malah mesin ngeraung dan mobil kaya lgs ketahan gt...
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jalu wrote:
DOHC wrote:nah kalo unit ipah yg ane coba itu utk gearbox mulus om, gampang masuk smua gigi kcuali yah itu sering meleset doank... oh iya satu lagi, kopling nya koq aneh yah, agak kaya mbelesek kedalem gt... jadi kira2 dari posisi full keangkat ampe sprempat turun nya itu koq pedal nya kaya kendor pegas nya atau kaya cuman goyang2 gt doank... rada bikin kagok kalo blom biasa sigh...
maksudnya...di saat pedal kopling awal diinjak ada daerah "kosong"nya yah, kalo ditoyota bilangnya itu free play...meski terkesan oblak pedalnya....hehehehe.... :upss:
ohh ternyata gara2 si freeplay toh, ane dullu sempet kirain paman ane males abis, taruh kaki di kopling mulu...
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nescafe wrote:
DOHC wrote:nah itu dia, tongkat perseneling si ipahh... dulu ane rada parno nyetir tuh mobil soalnya kadang salah masuk gigi, dari gigi 4 mo ke 5 malah masuk ke 3.... kalo salah ngamar masi mending... ini malah salah gigi... penumpang pada ngamuk smua jadinya...
hmmm,, persenelingnya seperti kurang presisis gitu ya oom? :roll:
yg gw agak ragu kalau mau masuk gigi 5,,, :roll:
kalo buat saya biar gak salah gigi 5..caranya dr gigi 4 tongkat nya gak digenggam, cukup didorong aja ke posisi netral, stlah ada di posisi netral baru digenggam, ditekan ke kanan dan ke depan....sejauh ini udah jarang gagal,hehehehe....

memang perpindahannya 4 ke 5 jadi lambat...tapi toh bukan balap... :upss:
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jalu wrote:
nescafe wrote:
DOHC wrote:nah itu dia, tongkat perseneling si ipahh... dulu ane rada parno nyetir tuh mobil soalnya kadang salah masuk gigi, dari gigi 4 mo ke 5 malah masuk ke 3.... kalo salah ngamar masi mending... ini malah salah gigi... penumpang pada ngamuk smua jadinya...
hmmm,, persenelingnya seperti kurang presisis gitu ya oom? :roll:
yg gw agak ragu kalau mau masuk gigi 5,,, :roll:
kalo buat saya biar gak salah gigi 5..caranya dr gigi 4 tongkat nya gak digenggam, cukup didorong aja ke posisi netral, stlah ada di posisi netral baru digenggam, ditekan ke kanan dan ke depan....sejauh ini udah jarang gagal,hehehehe....

memang perpindahannya 4 ke 5 jadi lambat...tapi toh bukan balap... :upss:
hehe,, iya sih,,, :mrgreen:

oya, kopling GV gimana? apa seperti toyota juga? :e-think:
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nah...masalah GV manual silahkan konsul ke wan abu atau om mandala...saya cuma pernah bawa sekali yg manual...itu jg gak lama..... :ungg:
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untung ane kaga ada ipah di rumah... :big_weee: :big_weee:
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jalu wrote:
nescafe wrote:
DOHC wrote:nah itu dia, tongkat perseneling si ipahh... dulu ane rada parno nyetir tuh mobil soalnya kadang salah masuk gigi, dari gigi 4 mo ke 5 malah masuk ke 3.... kalo salah ngamar masi mending... ini malah salah gigi... penumpang pada ngamuk smua jadinya...
hmmm,, persenelingnya seperti kurang presisis gitu ya oom? :roll:
yg gw agak ragu kalau mau masuk gigi 5,,, :roll:
kalo buat saya biar gak salah gigi 5..caranya dr gigi 4 tongkat nya gak digenggam, cukup didorong aja ke posisi netral, stlah ada di posisi netral baru digenggam, ditekan ke kanan dan ke depan....sejauh ini udah jarang gagal,hehehehe....

yep bener tuh, begitu caranya hehehehehe..eh tapi avanza vvti and taruna kasus gigi 4 mau ke 5 gitu juga loh :big_slap:
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Saya dr belajar nyetir juga udah begitu diajarinnya...:P kirain sudah pengetahuan umum :)
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Sekarang bedanya GV yg lama dgn yg 2500cc apa bro?
kalo GV yg lama khan mesinnya masih mengadopsi grand escudo, sedangkan GV yg baru udah pake mesin baru katanya.
Apakah ada perbedaan signifikan antara GV baru dgn yg lama?
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