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jalu wrote:
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NYoman wrote:salah satunya karena kebutuhan..kalo polusi menurut saya kalo memang benar cara merawatnya dan tau betul karakter mesin 2tak saya rasa emisinya masih bisa di toleransi..yang paling repot mesin 2 tak itu memiliki 2 oli dalam satu motor..yang satu adalah oli untuk gearbox dan yang satu adalah oli untuk piston (biasa disebut oli samping) yang akan terbakar bersama bensin saat terjadi kompresi maka dari itu kenapa motor 2tak ngebul..kalo ngebul berarti setelan olinya terlalu besar tapi larinya tambah muantab...
kalo vespa saya cuma tau model lama yang warna nya seinget saya abu2 sama biru tua itu kan?itu juga motor legendaris mantab larinya dan borosnya juga mantab..hhe saya belum nemu speknya siapa tau lebih mantap dari king =D
alasan mengapa mesin 2tak disetop produksi nya memang karena masalah standard emisi yg kian hari semakin ketat sehingga semakin sulit utk dipenuhi oleh mesin2 2tak........
klo di motoGP bukan karena 2tak yg lebih kencang sehingga di larang di gelaran tsb oom, tapi semata2 memang utk memenuhi besaran standard emisi saat ini saja cmiiw
mesin jenis ported oil burner (bensin 2 tak & rotary) memang dimasa kini sulit untuk menghadapi aturan ketatnya emisi

ported = tanpa valve : disini gas buang keluar dr ruang bakar juga karena "didorong" oleh campuran bbm yang baru (old gas pushed by new gas), sudah pasti akan boros bbm dan tentu kadar unburned HC & CO meningkat

kondisi diperparah dng adanya pelumas yang memang ikut dibakar bersama BBM di mesin 2T atau rotary sebagai internal lubrication, krn oli tidak semudah terbakar seperti bensin sudah bs terliat akan banyak pelumas yg tidak terbakar sempurna, menyebabkan kadar unburned HC meningkat

mesin 2tak & rotary sangat responsif dan mudah mencapai RPM tinggi, faktor yg mendukungnya adalah better breathing (napas plong) krn cuma lubang2 saja tanpa valve, selain itu minim komponen yg bergerak.

CMIIW saja...silahkan dikoreksi :D
memang pada dasarnya kita sering miris dengan motor2 tak dengan asapnya yang bisa kayak foging..tapi seingat saya crystal saya sampai sekarang walau berasap(ya jelas lah) tapi ga ngebul alias asap tipis yang kalau di betot baru agak tebal asapnya..
tapi memang saya lebih prefer pada 4tak sekarang, walau bakal malu juga ngelawan motor butut yang sama2 110cc tapi bakal di libas habis kalo di lampu merah..untuk pelumas yang sering tidak terbakar sempurna ini terdapat setelan di pompa olinya nah ini termasuk salah satu kelemahan mesin 2tak harus tau 2 setelan, setelan karbu sama setelan pompa oli untuk meminimalkan pelumas2 yang tidak terbakar sempurna walaupun tidak bisa di nol kan tapi setidak nya bisa di minimalkan..hhe imho ya
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andaikan mesin 2T yang tidak berasap/cuma asap tipis...bukan berarti emisinya rendah kaan... :D
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jalu wrote:andaikan mesin 2T yang tidak berasap/cuma asap tipis...bukan berarti emisinya rendah kaan... :D
Yang King gini nih yang emisinya emang sudah sangat low, asal pompa oil nya ngga diutak utik lagi, dan pakai oli smokeless (macam Agip 2T smokeless buat Force1 ku dulu), malem hari pun, hampir sangat nyaris tidak terlihat asepnya.
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king gen terakhir tenaga nya udah banyak disunat dibanding yg awal2 cmiiw
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doq wrote:king gen terakhir tenaga nya udah banyak disunat dibanding yg awal2 cmiiw
Resiko mengikuti aturan emisi, om...

Btw, kenapa yahh King disetop? Pdhl Ninja masih produce 2 tak nya. Di luar Negeri yang ketat emisi Euronya (sampai Euro 4, cmiiw), bbrp produsen motor, denger2 masih produksi tuh 2 taknya.. Bener ga?

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VanzMatic wrote:
doq wrote:king gen terakhir tenaga nya udah banyak disunat dibanding yg awal2 cmiiw
Resiko mengikuti aturan emisi, om...

Btw, kenapa yahh King disetop? Pdhl Ninja masih produce 2 tak nya. Di luar Negeri yang ketat emisi Euronya (sampai Euro 4, cmiiw), bbrp produsen motor, denger2 masih produksi tuh 2 taknya.. Bener ga?

Kok disetop ya si King?
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wkwkwk ninja 2tak masih produksi ya? wah keren jg tuh KMI, klo produsen luaran sy kurang tau tuh oom kenapa mereka masih mau produksi, tp klo yg lokalan mungkin karena udah mentok sama aturan emisi nya ya cmiiw :e-think:
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jalu wrote:andaikan mesin 2T yang tidak berasap/cuma asap tipis...bukan berarti emisinya rendah kaan... :D
yup bagaimanapun tipisnya asap, bukan berarti emisi rendah...
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yg paling aseeekk dr motor 2tak itu kesimpelan struktur mesin nya; no valve, no cam, no rante keteng......... tinggal buka silinder head dan voila!!! bisa bersihin keppala piston sendiri :upss: :mrgreen:
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doq wrote:
VanzMatic wrote:
doq wrote:king gen terakhir tenaga nya udah banyak disunat dibanding yg awal2 cmiiw
Resiko mengikuti aturan emisi, om...

Btw, kenapa yahh King disetop? Pdhl Ninja masih produce 2 tak nya. Di luar Negeri yang ketat emisi Euronya (sampai Euro 4, cmiiw), bbrp produsen motor, denger2 masih produksi tuh 2 taknya.. Bener ga?

Kok disetop ya si King?
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wkwkwk ninja 2tak masih produksi ya? wah keren jg tuh KMI, klo produsen luaran sy kurang tau tuh oom kenapa mereka masih mau produksi, tp klo yg lokalan mungkin karena udah mentok sama aturan emisi nya ya cmiiw :e-think:
Ninja 2 tak nya lolos Euro2 om... Oia, kalo ngga salah, skuter2 Italia sana, pada make 2 tak sebagai mesinnya. Padahal, bukannya Italia udah Euro4..? Cmiiw...

doq wrote:yg paling aseeekk dr motor 2tak itu kesimpelan struktur mesin nya; no valve, no cam, no rante keteng......... tinggal buka silinder head dan voila!!! bisa bersihin keppala piston sendiri :upss: :mrgreen:
Iya, minggu sore bersihin kerak, Senin pagi berangkat udah ngaciiiiiirrrr lagi... :mrgreen:
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doq wrote:yg paling aseeekk dr motor 2tak itu kesimpelan struktur mesin nya; no valve, no cam, no rante keteng......... tinggal buka silinder head dan voila!!! bisa bersihin keppala piston sendiri :upss: :mrgreen:
hhe jujur deh, saya tiap sebulan sekali bersih2 kepala piston =D kalo sempet knalpot dibakar buat ngurangi kerak2 di knalpot..2tak buat belajaran asik juga ya =P
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VanzMatic wrote:
doq wrote:king gen terakhir tenaga nya udah banyak disunat dibanding yg awal2 cmiiw
Resiko mengikuti aturan emisi, om...

Btw, kenapa yahh King disetop? Pdhl Ninja masih produce 2 tak nya. Di luar Negeri yang ketat emisi Euronya (sampai Euro 4, cmiiw), bbrp produsen motor, denger2 masih produksi tuh 2 taknya.. Bener ga?

Kok disetop ya si King?
:big_peace:
mesin ninja 2 tak masih lulus aturan emisi disini mungkin krn mesinnya sudah lbh advance dibanding rx-king, dilengkapi dengan sistem "power valve system" yaitu KIPS (Kawasaki Integrated Powervalve System) sehingga mesin bs bekerja lbh efisien. CMIIW
...
Many producers of two-stroke performance bikes fit them with the exhaust valve systems. A valve acts to vary the height (and width) of the exhaust port. Fixed height exhaust ports have problems with only producing usable power in a narrow rev range, which has a detrimental effect on fuel consumption and emissions

...

All power valve systems vary the duration of the exhaust port open time, which gives the engine usable low end power combined with excellent top end power. Manufacturers have also included sub exhaust chambers that extend the 'tuned length' of the expansion chamber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-stroke ... lve_system
Note yang dibold : mesin rx-king itu fixed height exhaust port (konvensional)
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NYoman wrote:
doq wrote:yg paling aseeekk dr motor 2tak itu kesimpelan struktur mesin nya; no valve, no cam, no rante keteng......... tinggal buka silinder head dan voila!!! bisa bersihin keppala piston sendiri :upss: :mrgreen:
hhe jujur deh, saya tiap sebulan sekali bersih2 kepala piston =D kalo sempet knalpot dibakar buat ngurangi kerak2 di knalpot..2tak buat belajaran asik juga ya =P
wehehe...mesin 2 tak 1 silinder memang sangat asik buat belajar ttg mesin, termasuk saya juga dulu sering ikut utak atik sm temen2 buka mesin 2tak. Dan dari seringnya aktivitas bersih2 kerak, biasanya muncul testimoni2 dr usernya ttg merek oli 2T yang dipake, merek A keraknya tebal lah, merek B keraknya tipis tapi keras dlsb,hehehe...iya kann.. :D

sewaktu motor 2 tak masih populer, sempet juga heboh oli 2T yang asapnya wangi, diawal2 beredar banyak biker motor 2tak yang mencoba beberapa merek oli 2T hanya untuk mencari yg wangi asapnya cocok dng selera masing2 :mrgreen:
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jalu wrote:
VanzMatic wrote:
doq wrote:king gen terakhir tenaga nya udah banyak disunat dibanding yg awal2 cmiiw
Resiko mengikuti aturan emisi, om...

Btw, kenapa yahh King disetop? Pdhl Ninja masih produce 2 tak nya. Di luar Negeri yang ketat emisi Euronya (sampai Euro 4, cmiiw), bbrp produsen motor, denger2 masih produksi tuh 2 taknya.. Bener ga?

Kok disetop ya si King?
:big_peace:
mesin ninja 2 tak masih lulus aturan emisi disini mungkin krn mesinnya sudah lbh advance dibanding rx-king, dilengkapi dengan sistem "power valve system" yaitu KIPS (Kawasaki Integrated Powervalve System) sehingga mesin bs bekerja lbh efisien. CMIIW
...
Many producers of two-stroke performance bikes fit them with the exhaust valve systems. A valve acts to vary the height (and width) of the exhaust port. Fixed height exhaust ports have problems with only producing usable power in a narrow rev range, which has a detrimental effect on fuel consumption and emissions

...

All power valve systems vary the duration of the exhaust port open time, which gives the engine usable low end power combined with excellent top end power. Manufacturers have also included sub exhaust chambers that extend the 'tuned length' of the expansion chamber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-stroke ... lve_system
Note yang dibold : mesin rx-king itu fixed height exhaust port (konvensional)
Lho, bukannya RX-king terakhir (2008) itu sudah lolos Euro2??
yang ini nih, yang knalpotnya udah pake CC khusus 2tak
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Jadi inget dulu, ledek2an antara owner Grand ama owner Force1 di kampus. Kalo owner Grand, ngledeknya konsumsi bensin Force itu 1:30 -> 1km butuh 30liter :big_slap:

Kita2 yang owner Force1, ngledekin FC owner grand yang ngebanggain bisa 1:50 -> 1 jam untuk 50 meter
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btw.. kira harga ninja 2 tak berapaan si???
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hasil guling2 uda ga ada ninja 2 tak yg baru..........
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ak4ng wrote:hasil guling2 uda ga ada ninja 2 tak yg baru..........
Ya kalo ke dealernya langsung kan info nya jauh lebih valid, kang, dapet price list,scan dimarih... :big_peace:
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ak4ng wrote:hasil guling2 uda ga ada ninja 2 tak yg baru..........
Ngasbun.... :big_smoking:

Ninja 150 masih dipasarin kok ama KMI > http://www.kawasaki-motor.co.id/index.p ... Itemid=468 > tapi memang KRR ngilang, kenapa y?

Eh, nemu ginian di web Kawak Indo. KMI memang mantap, salut, paling berani ngeluarin tipe2 aneh. IDEALIS. Walau akibatnya tetep aja sales di posisi bontot dari 4 brand Jepangan hehehehe...............

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sebenernya sales 2W merek sijuki jg lg melorot...tapi gak tau kalo dibanding sm kawasaki.....
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Liat aja di trit sebelah, om NG, gimana ogah nya ane ama skutik jiplakan jepangan!

Skutik tuh gue demennya cuman ini:
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Engga kayak skutik jiplakan Jepangan yang dibonusin:
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2. Boyot
3. Lelet
4. Dompet tipis gara2 super boros! Mending makek King daripada skutik maho merk sejenis
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6. Pantat panas walau baru riding sejam
7. Lagak superman kalo pengin >100kpj.
8. Bonus juga kaki kram kesemutan riding diatas 1 jam
9. Extra bonus engga safe kalau jatuh!

Itu ajah, cukup, daripada gue dibilang ngejunk disini... :big_smoking:
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hehehe...mas VM ternyata kymco-holic jg ya.... :D

kymco itu skutik bagus...sayang sekali ATPMnya yg gak serius...
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jalu wrote:hehehe...mas VM ternyata kymco-holic jg ya.... :D

kymco itu skutik bagus...sayang sekali ATPMnya yg gak serius...
Sekarang dipegang Benson, kakak pembina.. Jadinya Kymco-Benson. Sudah dijual di indo.

Wah, saya bukan hanya -holic... tapi saya lagi nabung, pengen nebus satu om, bosen pake Repoh.. Soale dulu biasa pake Easy100 nya babeh wkt di jogja.
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oh...sudah dipegang Benson...mudah2an aja lbh serius untuk menghandle sales dan after sales kymco disini yg sempet amburadul di masa2 kemaren...
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Kymco, AFAIK, adalah perintis kehadiran skutik di Indo, CMIIW.... Jetmatic. Taun 99an kalo gak salah.
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Nightster Guy wrote:Kymco, AFAIK, adalah perintis kehadiran skutik di Indo, CMIIW.... Jetmatic. Taun 99an kalo gak salah.
Kalau Skuter matic yang pertama dipasarkan di Indonesia, ya Vespa Corsa, bos...
Ini tampang orisinil nya:
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Baru setelah itu Kymco masuk dengan si Kebo:
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CMIIW...
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di webnya KMI g ada harga2nya euy..... ada yg punya inpo???
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