SGP: peer group BMW serie 6

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frens, kalo peer groupnya bmw serie 6 yg baru (F13) tuh siapa aja ya? apakah the new mercedes SL (R231) masuk dalam kelas yg sama? dan ada mobil lain apa aja sih yg sekelas mereka?

trus yg masuk peer group nya audi A5 sapa aja ya?

btw, parameter perbandingannya cuma kondisi mobil masih standard pabrikan aja.. bukan specially tuned seperti M6 dan SL55/65 AMG ato yg sejenisnya ya.. ga peduli buatan mana. eropa, amrik, india, bhutan, jepang, rusia, dll deh..

thanks for the info.. :mky_02:
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Coupe 6silinder, 320 HP? Di luar Amrik Jerman Inggris apa ada?
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nah.. makanyanya ni lg dicari tau om..
ada input om asudarsono? :e-dance:
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Seri 6 itu F12 dan F13 om bebek...ada yg inline 6 ada yg V8

Ini ada saingan2 650i convertible
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/201 ... ies-review

Lexus SC430
Mercedes-Benz E-class Cabriolet
Jaguar XK convertible
Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet
Aston Martin V-8 Vantage roadster

Atau ini saingan 6 series Gran Coupe
http://www.emotormag.co.za/index.php?op ... &Itemid=34
Audi A7
Merc CLS

Kalo kata link ini kompetitornya
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2012/bmw ... mance.html
Porsche 911
Lotus Evora

Mercedes SL sepertinya bermain di kelas diatasnya....harganya udah beda mayan jauh, mesinnya juga SL sampe 6.0
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Di luar 3 negara itu mungkin cuma Nissan GTR?

Aussie banyak yg bagus2, tapi gak ada coupenya khan?
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ooh ok.. thanks for the info om FM.. :) btw om FM, kalo kita narrow down the topic, untuk khusus yg sekelas dengan serie 6 coupe (F13? cmiiw), V8 yg non convertible, kira2 ada pilihan apa saja yg sesuai? apakah merc R231 bisa dimasukan kedalam kelas yg sama? mohon pencerhahannya ya om.. thanks.. :big_peace:

om asudarsono, iya ni.. kalo mobil oz kan paling cuma vauxhall aja ya? cmiiw yaa...
ini yg kita discuss khusus untuk roadster coupe non convertible.. mohon inputnya lagi.. :)
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kalo yg bener2 head to head atau apple to apple (coupe V8, 2+2, dimensi eksterior hampir sama, level brand yg hampir sama, dsb) kayaknya saingannya si 6 series cuma Jag XK.
satu lagi yg ampir2 mirip (semua kategori diatas kena kecuali level brand) yaitu Maserati Gran Turismo (sedikit lebih mahal dari 2 diatas)
Aston Vantage cuma 2 seater, yg DB9 2+2 tapi mesinnya V12, juga mereknya udah diatas BMW.
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om risol1, kalo line up nya merc ndak ada ya yg comparable dgn si serie 6 ini? kalo SL yg R231 apakah sudah beda kelas?
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IMO di jaman sekarang yg model2 mobilnya udah pada gak jelas (pada overlapping), kata2 "comparable" itu tergantung sama yg liat aja om bebek atau tergantung si calon customer aja.

Misalnya kalo ada orang yg cuma pengen sporty looking (pokoknya pintu dua dan model sporty), maka sah2 aja sih F13 itu saingannya R231.
Kalo ada orang yg agak saklek, maka F13 <> R231 karena F13 itu coupe sedangkan R231 itu roadster. Belum lagi kalo dilihat harga R231 yg lebih mahal.

Tergantung yg liat aja.

Kalo menurut ane. yg bener2 head to head dengan F13 dari mercedes itu belon ada, tapi yg paling deket sih E coupe. Kalo ane bilang sih F13 itu ada diantara E coupe dan CL.

Kenapa ane bilang E coupe masih sedikit di bawah F13?
Karena E coupe itu lebar banget marketnya (market positioningnya). Overlap sama C Coupe buat orang yg pengen mesin irit tapi bodi gedean (E250 4 cyl) sampe overlap ke CL buat orang yg pengen mesin gede tapi bodi kecilan (E550 8cyl). Parts2nya banyak nyomot dari bin-nya C class.

E coupe juga bodinya lebih kecil dari F13, dan desain bodinya identical dengan E sedan cuma pintunya dikurangin 2, lain dengan F13 yg memang dirancang dan didesain sebagai F13. Harga juga gak bohong, E coupe jauh lebih murah dibanding F13.
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E coupe itu platformnya pake platform C-Class, gak pake platform E-Class sedan...jadi imo agak nista juga kalo dibandingin ama F13.

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nah tuh, apalagi pake platform C class, makin jauh dah sama F13 :mrgreen:

entar bbrp thn lagi katanya si ultimate driving machine mau bangkitin 8 series lagi dari kubur.......yg pake mercedes siap2 ambil lajur kiri hahaha.....
nabung dulu ahhh... :mky_01:
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Iya bro http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1033 ... s-platform
It turns out that while the new E-Class Coupe borrows its svelte styling from the E-Class Sedan, underneath the handsome exterior sits the smaller and cheaper C-Class platform.
Makanya E coupe harganya bisa lebih murah dari E sedan :p ....ibaratnya, 300 CE lebih murah dr 300 E...lucu bener.
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Risol1 wrote:nah tuh, apalagi pake platform C class, makin jauh dah sama F13 :mrgreen:

entar bbrp thn lagi katanya si ultimate driving machine mau bangkitin 8 series lagi dari kubur.......yg pake mercedes siap2 ambil lajur kiri hahaha.....
nabung dulu ahhh... :mky_01:
Hehehe, mau komparasi mobil Jerman gimana caranya ya? Lha tiap tahun mereka ngopi2 bareng ama juragan Angela sebelum bikin model baru. Outputnya menjadi beda2 tipis. Kalau mau ngebut pakai Porsche deh.
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asudarsono wrote:Hehehe, mau komparasi mobil Jerman gimana caranya ya? Lha tiap tahun mereka ngopi2 bareng ama juragan Angela sebelum bikin model baru. Outputnya menjadi beda2 tipis.
Gimana caranya? baca majalah, test drive sendiri. Gitu aja bingung.

Kalo cuman tau ttg French junk gak usah banyak bikin statement ngawur.
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Hihihi, Nopember kemarin gue sebulan di Munich emang disangka ngapain.

Terima kasih lho udah mau beli BMW. Sedikitnya udah gak fanatik ama angkot.

BTT : Gak salah sih, kita bangga dengan BMW yang emang pantas disebut ultimate driving machine. Tanpa mengurangi rasa hormat sama produsen VW, Porsche, Mercy, Audi dll. Bagusnya BMW berani memasukkan M seri di Indonesia. Saya juga suka sama 325i M (cool tidak terlalu menyolok dan harga murah). Kalau Mercy gak terlalu deket sama Brabus, katanya Brabus terpaksa mojok di Jl Panjang.

Saya di atas sebetulnya cuma mau berkata, kalau mau kenceng, kalau boleh milih mending naik Porsche aja. Sama2 Jerman ini.
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Yang saklek sepenuhnya vis-a-vis nya dari Mercs to 6 Series sih IMO gak ada. Ntah merk lain maklum ane cupu apdetan. :mky_01:


















Lagian kasta Mercs selalu lebih diatas Bimmers. :big_weee:
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asudarsono wrote:Hihihi, Nopember kemarin gue sebulan di Munich emang disangka ngapain.

Terima kasih lho udah mau beli BMW. Sedikitnya udah gak fanatik ama angkot.

BTT : Gak salah sih, kita bangga dengan BMW yang emang pantas disebut ultimate driving machine. Tanpa mengurangi rasa hormat sama produsen VW, Porsche, Mercy, Audi dll. Bagusnya BMW berani memasukkan M seri di Indonesia. Saya juga suka sama 325i M (cool tidak terlalu menyolok dan harga murah). Kalau Mercy gak terlalu deket sama Brabus, katanya Brabus terpaksa mojok di Jl Panjang.

Saya di atas sebetulnya cuma mau berkata, kalau mau kenceng, kalau boleh milih mending naik Porsche aja. Sama2 Jerman ini.
Mau setaun di Somalia kek...bego ya bego aja. Disangka ngapain? Siapa yg mau nyangka? :mrgreen:
Gak nyambung ya gak nyambung aja :wkkk:

Fanatik? asu darsono asu darsono...udah bangkotan kok gak pinter2 :mrgreen:
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Emang FM dari dulu lebih cepet tangannya dari otak. Kebanyakan isap knalpot angkot.
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drpada otak asu darsono :wkkk:
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hayoh.....hayoh.... :big_smoking:
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Huuuuuuuuuuuuu mods atas ane payah gak bisa ngeliat orang tua seneng.... :big_weee: Baru juga mo ane bensinin lagi.... Ati2 kualat loh bro negur ortu2.... FM versus Darsono jauh lebih bikin ngakak ketimbang baca post si TM....

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wah atas ane sih demen liat orang susah yeeee :big_weee: :big_weee:
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Biasa mods jelang puber kedua biasanya syahwat para ortu di atas kita ini rada memuncak.... :big_weee:
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asudarsono wrote:........
BTT : Gak salah sih, kita bangga dengan BMW yang emang pantas disebut ultimate driving machine. Tanpa mengurangi rasa hormat sama produsen VW, Porsche, Mercy, Audi dll. Bagusnya BMW berani memasukkan M seri di Indonesia....
bmw M udah lama masuk ke indo secara resmi(mulai dari gen e46), kalau mau order lewat eurokars(atpm) yg dijalan panjang AFAIK cuma disitu yg bisa order bmw M dan bmw individual.
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Nightster Guy wrote:Biasa mods jelang puber kedua biasanya syahwat para ortu di atas kita ini rada memuncak.... :big_weee:
Ente bukannya lebih tua? wkwkwkw. kalo si asu darsono udah gak nyambung saking bangkotannya.