WRC Rally Car capablities on std road car

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Malam semua.

Pertanyaan sbg org awam, bbrp model on the road skrg di pakai sbg based model rally dg basis hatch/saloon dg GC yg tdk setinggi SUV, semisal:
*Subaru wrx sti, mini cooper, ford fiesta, vw polo, etc.

Apakah memungkinkan ya...bs m'adopsi bbrp kemampuan yg dimilikinya pd regular hatch kita??? Dlm m'nerabas krikil bebatuan,Pot holed, Dirt tracks ( becek n berkubang )Asphalt sempit n berkelok, atopun terbang rendah.

Lewat add on device ato light modip mungkin spt: ganti dg long travelling shock, ganti bumper (lipina XGear???), lainnya mungkin....

Knp hatch/saloon?.....knp ngga beli SUV sj
Ya ...Mungkin krn factor light, nimbleness n fun yg dimilikinya, ngga sk body roll yg tinggi, atopun ngga ada duit buat beli ... :ngacir: :ngacir:
Klo di balik pertanyaanya, menarik jg.
knp mbl rally (speed rally) ngga pk suv yg jelas2 punya kelebihan di GC tinggi?

Yup Setuju.... wrc car is big difference with their similar on road car models. Tdk request sama. Bisa m'adopt bbrp kelebihannya dlm menaklukan kondisi road surface yg beragam (mdl jalanan di indo) jd senang juga kita tentunya.....

Mungkin rekans2 ada pendapat thd hal ini.....

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https://youtu.be/4rYy2Za_Ppg

mungkin boleh di coba pake basis jazz S 2012 + Coiloper + Ultra Racing full pasang semua yg ada kalo agak gila dikit swap ke K20A kayak yg di video :ngacir:

btw ada satu lagi seh yg menarik on budget ini juga pake GE8

https://youtu.be/8FSvaq7bkhU
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Dan yg paling kelihatan di WRC car itu pasti pake overfender, berarti tapak ban lebih lebar ya CMIIW. Mungkin ini yg bikin lebih stabil meski shock travelingnya panjang. Hatchback sub-compact asal ga ditambah2in bodykit yg bikin GC turun, trus suspensi mumpuni, ane rasa cukup kok buat ngelibas jalanan indo.
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Duduk nungguin sabda para manstah karena saya demennya juga sedan ketimbang SUV.

Pengin tahu yang dimodif apaan.
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paling gampang dan paling penting, pasang skidplate metal di posisi2 vital seperti kolong mesin ngelindungin carter dan gb.......... kemudian tangki bensin.... next tergantung mbl posisi knalpot sering rawan ini aman kan juga....

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bemper hindarin bodykit aja, apalagi fiber ...........


kolong uda aman... ngosot juga bisa di abaikan, tinggal teganya aja..

done.... budget hatchback siap di siksa.................

semua wrc car pasti pke skidplate kuat kolongnya, jadi sekalipun gc rendah ngosot2 jg bisa diabaikan............


suspensi dll untuk advancenya gud juga. cuma klw critanya bwat libas dirt - pothole as regular driving, tidak ada stopwatch yg membuatnya harus di hajar semua, suspensi std juga cukup.
klw bwat rally beneran ya banyak upgradenya.

kenapa wrc g pke suv? ada kelasnya rally raid yg pke suv.. tapi... not as fast as regular wrc...

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dulu awal thn 1981n sy punya tyt rallycar ... beli dr jpn ... tom's te71 1600gt ..sy pakai 11x dlm 3thn nopol b-345-zn ... sblm dibeli boy tohir 19juta (1984)

wkt abis terbang di pameungpeuk (so sorry kalo salah spell) oil pan hrs ganti ... sepintas bentuk n contour sama dg 18r (sy punya 2tgeu)

tapi pas di bandingkan toms oil pan jauh lbh enteng drpd oem tyt .. hrg oem tyt di astra (1982) rp.380rb trmsk install ...toms pesan via tonsco cikiniraya rp.1,100,000 plus pasang di roma motor sawah besar rp.400,000 plus retuned by sonny ho a.k.a amiaw rp.150,000

semua rally parts undercarriage punya metalurgic std formulation yg beda dgn production version ... jauh lbb mahal shg beyond economic level ...

bukan sekedar reinforcement ... blm lg kalo acrylic windshield hrs ganti krn patah ... rp.2juta n order 4bln
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paling seneng liat tampilan WRC car buat medan tarmac, ceper2 semua sama velg besar ...

paling ilfeel klo liat buat snow, velg & ban cungkring :D
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Sx4 sdh cukup..atw yg sedannya.
Ad org kampung pake baleno m16 lama, ckp raiser dn ban tebal, gc mirip avanza, pede sj kec 40kph d jlnan brbatu dn kubangan daerah pesawahan dn hutan jati, sdgkn phanter hanya 20kph..entah..trgntung teganya kali.
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Nah nyari skidplate buat dibawah mobil itu dimana ya ? Udah lama nyari buat ge8 gak nemu2 maklum jalanannyg sering dilewatin jelek hahahha
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Skidplate bikin aja om..... Di bengkel spesialis offroad harus nya bisa.

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Seru jg commentnya

@boku
1st vid, keren banget tuh ge 8 rallynya :big_exellent:
rekomen tonton ni buat user ge...short duration khok.

2nd vid, ada yaris di final stage eui :big_grin:

@kynug
Bikin overfender antara tega..n ..ngga tega eui potong2 wheel arch, kec klo memang sengaja beli bahan. Cutting finishingnya tdk sehalus pabrikan.

@billyd1773
Ane ngakak tuch om. Bc comment nerabas lubang khan ngga perlu stopwatch..... :big_biglaugh:

Skidplate sm cover enjin gb bawaan mbl, cukup ngga tuh om, umumnya mbl eropa ada sih, klo yg jadul pk plat besi, yg baruan ngga dr besi lg, ngurangi bobot kyknya. Cover tank umumnya memang tdk ada.

GC ngga perlu di lift up dikit kah? sec std sj t'kdg gasruk sm poldur.

@om NR
Tom's te71 1600gt ini basic model dr DX kah,
Beda sm levin khan ya...

@eridek
Yg di pp nya diulas mw lah. Baleno bs hidup juga ya di pematang sawah n kebon. Capability spt ini mengasyikan tentu.
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Skitplate kyk nya bermanfaat bagi mobil harian,kemaren ada ibu2 bwa helm dicantolin di motornya trus lepas kejalan dan masuk ke kolong innova dari arah depan,entah apa yg terjadi tapi suara tabraknya cukup keras,
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^^
monggo di cek aja kolong mblnya... klw hatchback jepun biasanya ga ada, klw ada juga hanya di crossmember axle depan aja, sedangkan enjin n gb ga di lindungin

lebih bagus lagi kolongnya di bikin flat dri depan sampai blkng skidplate semua.

cuv2 jaman skrng paling cuma pake bahan kain atau karet, g akan tahan benturan, apalagi HB. ermmm HRV malah bagus loh kolongnya, meski dri plastik tp dri depan tengah blkng ada pelindungnya semua.

suspension lift kembali lagi ke gc mblnya brp... klw HB jepunkebanyakan uda lumayan tinggi ya, miras uda 165, brio juga sgtuan.... jarang kena poldur.. dan klw uda di lindungin kolongnya kena juga g masalah.

naikin GC paling efektif ganti ban lebih besar.... suspension lift malah ngurangin travel extent soalnya, padahal HB ginian travelnya uda dikit. kec shock diganti lebih panjang. klw shock diganti travel compressnya yg berkurang...

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---^^-- noted om billyd :frm_tumbright:
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billyd1773dz wrote:^^
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naikin GC paling efektif ganti ban lebih besar.... suspension lift malah ngurangin travel extent soalnya, padahal HB ginian travelnya uda dikit. kec shock diganti lebih panjang. klw shock diganti travel compressnya yg berkurang...

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Om billy, kalo diganti ban lebih besar bukannya harus memperhatikan diameter total velg+ban juga ya, biar margin bacaan speedometernya ga gitu jauh dari standarnya CMIIW. Atau gimana ya :mky_01:
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Kynug wrote:
billyd1773dz wrote:^^
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naikin GC paling efektif ganti ban lebih besar.... suspension lift malah ngurangin travel extent soalnya, padahal HB ginian travelnya uda dikit. kec shock diganti lebih panjang. klw shock diganti travel compressnya yg berkurang...

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Om billy, kalo diganti ban lebih besar bukannya harus memperhatikan diameter total velg+ban juga ya, biar margin bacaan speedometernya ga gitu jauh dari standarnya CMIIW. Atau gimana ya :mky_01:
Yep,

ganti ban lebih besar maksud sya overall diameter banya, biasanya di spek ban ada atau hitung manual.

Makin besar dri std tentu pemgaruh ke speedometer, odo, read mid makin besar, jg ketarikan mbl

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Ya, wktu kecil nnton reli d tv, yg terekam d memori sy, lancia delta integrale..kmudian lnjt generasi pug dn citrun. Mdh2n ad rezqi bs beli bhn fiat uno, 504, atw bx gti...srasa detektif city hunter.
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Sori om newbie ikut nimbrung kalo rally gitu bukannya mulai dari lower arm udah ga sama kyk mass production car nya ya? Stau saya sih pakai pillowball+polyurethane bushing.. kalo buat harian kuat kali ya hajar lubang2 cuma pasti kaku banget suspensinya
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Salam kenal. Ikut nimbrung
Daily car untuk bikin seperti mobil rally, sepertinya memperkuat sektor kaki2 seperti yang dijelasin om osc diatas.
Karet2 bushing dan mounting ganti yg lebih kuat. Velg ganti yang kuat. Shock ganti yang kuat. Intinya ya di reinforced kekuatan mobil. :big_grin:
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Nah Klo kita beli partsnya k toko gt mslhnya ada/tdk parts yg dimaksud utk keperluan tsb Di mbl kita (parts non velg). Ato pk aftermarket performance part sj yg umumnya lbh kuat dr oem?
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yang paling mahal itu R&D kaki2 dan chassis gimana caranya rangka monokok bisa solid like a rock. yang paling banyak dipake umum ya pelek rally grade yang tahan bantingnya luar biasa, juga kaki2 yang gila2an juga kuatnya, dan jangan lupa turbo + intercooler system. lebih applicable rally tecg ke mass market daripada F1.
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Tidak mesti sama/mendekati spec wrc car si om.
Ingin menambah daya jelajah saloon/hatch di berbagai type surface jalan saja, diajak lari luar kota (unpredictible road) juga tdk terlalu was2.

Wrc car konstruksi chasis bkn monokok ya?
Klo liat2 list masspro spt subaru sti, minicooper bukan ladder klo ngga slh.

Pemasangan rollcage (utk reinforce chasis) ato turbo installment di based yg msh NA, utk awam spt kita tentu sdh agak extreme mod.
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jivos wrote:Tidak mesti sama/mendekati spec wrc car si om.
Ingin menambah daya jelajah saloon/hatch di berbagai type surface jalan saja, diajak lari luar kota (unpredictible road) juga tdk terlalu was2.

Wrc car konstruksi chasis bkn monokok ya?
Klo liat2 list masspro spt subaru sti, minicooper bukan ladder klo ngga slh.

Pemasangan rollcage (utk reinforce chasis) ato turbo installment di based yg msh NA, utk awam spt kita tentu sdh agak extreme mod.
unpredictable road buat saya si kayanya mendingan cari avanza udah murah, kasih ban HT/AT, udah RWD pula jadi part kaki2 murah dan karena kuno jadi gampang urusan perbaikinnya. tapi urusan nyaman yang naik jadi urutan terakhir ya :mky_03:

WRC kan pasti monokok karena based on mass production car, tapi chassis reinforced dan roll cage berapa titik untuk menuhin standard FIA. malah kayanya roll cage pakenya bukan cuma tubular steel tapi uda titanium biar enteng. kaki2 upgrade pake bahan yang super tahan banting, body sebisanya diganti pake carbon or polycarbonate, kaca diganti plastik juga biar aman ga pecah. mesin si yg kepake kayanya cuma engine block bawah dan atas sisanya udah abis dioprek.

kalau saya selama itu masih di jawa deket2 kota harusnya ga perlu lah sampe WRC grade, kecuali pelek dan ban. di jawa terutama pantura si yang penting malah lampu2 harus prima biar bisa nempelin kendaraan tinggi 4 meter lebih, braking system top buat imbangi manuver kendaraan yg punya bangku config 40 baris, ban yang tahan banting, engine yang mumpuni buat ngebalap mesin diesel dengan torque nyaris 1000 nM di rpm 1400-1600 + transmisi 8 speed, suspension yang cukup stabil buat imbangi kendaraan GVW diatas 5 ton yang pake air suspension alias bus AKAP :mky_03:
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Wkwkwkwk.......noted info/pandangannya,thx.

Avanza 2nd hrg nya ngga turun2 itu um... :big_cry: msh mahal. Kalah depreciate sm hatch salon
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Makanya saya bilang, klw lewat jalan jeleknya masi daily dan ga pke stopwatch masi ingin nyaman tdk di hajr secepat mungkin ya, kaki2 g perlu di upgrade.. paling lepas swaybar jika jalan ancur pasti langsung jd lebihnyaman dan travel lebih panjang, enaknya hb g pke swaybar jg g akan selimbung mpv ladder

Klw iya mau di upgrade bengkel offoad bisa ngerjain, taft saya jg ada uda rombakan n reinforce semua dgn coil 5link dan pillowball ball karna pemakaian extreme dan sering pke stopwatch. Rollcage 8 titik dikabinya

Klw sebatass daily jln ancur, asal apik sie g perlu upgred ya.... klw ntar bunyi2..biar tau aja, pke sistem kaki2 pillowball atau pu custom blm tentu senyaman dan sekedap std. Apalahi pke shock balap dgn bypass lebih brisik valve bypassny, dudukan shock robah di bobok body insulasi kabin jg jd berkurang
Bgtu kaki2 ada yg rusak di luar daerah, karna kaki2 uda custom.. jd g ada sparepart yg sama mesti bikin lagi..kec bwa spare

Roll cage dll klw uda dipasang ya hajar banyak peredam yg dibabat untuk dudukan, kabin jd sempit, dan komponen yg bisa bunyi jg bertambah...

Intinya makin jd mbl rally race spec makin tidak nyaman apalagi bwat daily dan turing jarak jauh.

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