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WHY ? Alphard / Harrier / Ist soalnya mesinnya sharing ama mesin Camry / Vios yang ATPM Astra ! Coba, kalau Lafesta, Elgrand etc. mesinnya juga ada variant yang di dukung Nissan ATPM. Lain cerita deh !
LOH, mesin 2.5L di Elgrand kan sama dengan mesin X-Trail 2.5L! Mesin 3.5L Elgrand juga sama dengan mesin 3.5L 350Z, dan 350Z ini kan dimasukkan secara resmi??Mesin 2.5L Murano sama dengan mesin X-Trail 2.5L! Mesin 3.5L Murano sama dengan Elgrand dan 350Z!

Mesin 2.0L Lafesta kan MR20DE, Pak! Akan sama dengan new X-Trail dan C25!

Mesin2 Nissan itu tidak begitu banyak, Pak! Banyak model pakai mesin sama, platform sharing, kan demi efficiency, sama saja dengan Toyota/Honda!

Mau alasan apalagi, Pak??
As for Suzuki, I tell U why I don't like her too much. kurang berwibawa!
Itu kan berarti STYLING, Pak!! Seperti dikatakan Mr. Datsu! Anda mau menelan ludah sendiri?
Anyway, the Tiida is quite widespread around the World. Selain Jepang, dia sampai lari all the way south to Australia ! Baru tiba di situ dia ! Bintang iklannya malah Kim Catrall, salah satu cewek di [cencored] and the City !
Ya, ampun. Itu sih 'ibu2', Pak! Tante2 girang.
Tiida kan seharusnya menyasar pasar anak muda, Pak! Lihat Vios, pakai Britney Spears! Berarti yg beli Vios adalah mahasiswi, sedangkan yg beli Tiida adalah tante2! Kekekeke :evil: :mrgreen:
Padahal hatchback (Tiida, Mazda 3, Ford Focus) itu lebih sporty daripada supermini (Jazz/Yaris), Pak! :e-naughty:
Pls. Don't judge before U have a look yourself. She don't look as bad as in photos ! Percaya saya ! Lihat sendiri !
Apa Anda lupa, Tiida sudah pernah ditayangkan di otomotif TV di TV7! Apakah setelah itu kita jadi lihat banyak Tiida di jalanan? hell NO. Bahkan, unit yang dulu ditayangkan itu pun belum tentu sudah laku. Lihat saja di showroomnya.
I am not anti Yaris. Dari dulu I say ini mobil OK, harga OK, safety OK. Tapi U better now her limitations and alternatives ! Apa salahnya ?
Dan aku juga tidak anti Tiida. Tapi be REALISTIC lah, NMI saja mengerti hal ini dan tidak mau pasang Tiida untuk perang vs Jazz/Yaris, karena mereka tahu hanya akan terbantai saja!

Versi 1800cc dengan harga Rp 200 jutaan juga aku yakin hanya akan terjual sedikit. Bukti? Rekan2 disini, apa ada yang berencana inden Tiida? Kalaupun ada, aku yakin hanya 1-2 orang saja. Worse is : nol.
Sekarang, berapa yang rencana beli Yaris tahun ini? Raise your hands fellas :e-dance:
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Sithlord wrote:Probox CBU so what ! Its a Toyota ! Like U said, kenapa CBU Toyota lain yang lebih mahal bisa jalan, yang ini tidak ? Soalnya selling pointnya kurang !
Selling point yang kurang bukan masalah leganya...tapi STYLING-nya yang jelek abis bos...pertama kali liat ni mobil di jalan saya juga udah gak suka...untuk yang ini malah styling serena lebih baik...

Percaya deh...harga gak berdiri sendiri...tapi styling juga gak berdiri sendiri....

case study...orang punya duit sedikit, pilihan avanza/APV..kenapa masih lebih laku avanza?? krn stylingnya lebih bagus, padahal mesin lebih bagusan APV...dan lebih besar 200cc...

orang punya duit banyak...bahkan duit udah bukan faktor lagi...styling dan comfort lagi yang jadi urusan pertama...tetep bukan capacity...
Sekarang, berapa yang rencana beli Yaris tahun ini? Raise your hands fellas
My father....buat ade gw....akhir tahun kayanya...kadang2 gw ngiri juga...ni mobil mirip banget ma vios..CD 0,3.. 1NZ-FE.. safety sedikit lebih lengkap...hehe...tapi pasrah aja lah..gw udah sayang ama vios gw..
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Susah memang. Mau recommendasi mobil bagus malah dapat scorn and rejection. Maunya merek doang. Why am I doing this ? I don't get paid !

Ya sudah. Terserah. None of my business actually. Jadi orang mau recommend mobil lega, dan harga value, ngak di appreciate.
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Sithlord wrote:Susah memang. Mau recommendasi mobil bagus malah dapat scorn and rejection. Maunya merek doang. Why am I doing this ? I don't get paid !

Ya sudah. Terserah. None of my business actually. Jadi orang mau recommend mobil lega, dan harga value, ngak di appreciate.
Ngambek ye?? :mrgreen:

Darklord, bukannya kawan2 disini ini anti nissan, tapi memang mobil yang direkomendasikan Darklord itu tampangnya 'kurang' menarik. Coba kalo yang direkomendasikan itu toyota wish, yaris, honda crv, jazz, civic, nissan xtrail, pasti banyak juga yang tertarik. Tapi, kalo yang direkomendasikan hatchback culun seperti Tiida, pasti orang2 indo kurang tertarik. Apalagy anak2 mudanya. Gw sih, lebih suka 307 ato focus daripada Tiida ini. hehehe.

Sekian dulu, jangan ngambek ya... hehehe
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datsu wrote:case study...orang punya duit sedikit, pilihan avanza/APV..kenapa masih lebih laku avanza?? krn stylingnya lebih bagus, padahal mesin lebih bagusan APV...dan lebih besar 200cc...

orang punya duit banyak...bahkan duit udah bukan faktor lagi...styling dan comfort lagi yang jadi urusan pertama...tetep bukan capacity...
Utk APV, faktor duduk-di-atas-mesin membuat gue harus mencoret mobil ini dari daftar gue ... :(
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Sithlord wrote:Bung Herry,

Kalau ngak salah anda saat ini ada di Taiwan, dan istri anda di Indo. Dan I inggat anda ada rencana beli mobil untuk istri tercinta. What a guy !

Now, sebelum anda beli, may I share some additional info with U. Supaya anda bisa ambil keputusaan dengan info yang lebih lengkap.
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Wah thx Mr. Sithlord atas share infonya. Sebenarnya istri gue juga ada di Taiwan juga. Gue emang punya rencana beliin istri gue boil mungil macam city car gitu. Di Indo istri gue sebenarnya udah punya boil sendiri, baleno dan kijang, tapi bagi istri gue boil2 tsbt sedikit gede jadi kurang praktis untuk bermanuver di jalan yg sempit. Jadi dia pengen beli yg kecil2 gitu macam jazz gitu.

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Man ! If the Tiida can be priced close to Yaris like in Japan, and offer bigger size, she may indeed become the dark horse (not Darklord) in the June Indo Motorshow !

Not bad ! Pay Yaris price and rear passengers can enjoy space like good sized sedan !

Bung Herry, pls have a look at this car. I think it is just what yr wife needs ! Jika harganya benar dekat ama Yaris seperti di Jepang !
Tiida hatchback gue dah kenal dan pernah baca artikelnya, tapi sayang gue dan istri gue gak suka. Emang Tiida lebih besar dari jazz atau yaris dan harga yg sedikit lebih mahal dari jazz atau yaris, tapi justru itu bukan tujuannya. Istri gue sukanya mobil yg kecil yg memang hanya untuk jalan ke pasar atau jalan2 sempit bukan cari mobil yg lega interiornya.
Kalau mau lega mah gue mending ambil sedan sekelas camry sekalian neh. Mungkin lain waktu altis gue mau gue gantiin accord aja. Ada yg bisa sharing ttg new accord?
Lagian istri gue suka boil yg imut2 macam jazz dan yaris, terakhir kayaknya dia tertarik ama yaris neh. Kalo tiida stylingnya benar2 boring.

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Dan, aku tahu Mr. Herry tidak akan tertarik pada Tiida, betul 'kan Mr Herry? I find the design bland and boring myself. It's barely more than a year old but it feels outdated already.

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Wah, Mr. Conan ternyata tau aja pikiran gue. Emang gue tidak tertarik ama tiida. Jujur gue juga pernah setir mobil merk nissan (cefiro, sentra) dan nurut gue handling mobil2 nissan tidak terlalu memikat gue bila dibanding handling mobil2 honda.

Pertimbangan utama bagi gue dalam beli mobil itu styling dan handling. Urusan interiornya lega atau gak itu no. 2.

Neh mobil2 favorit gue:

Medium sedan : new accord (europe)
Small sedan : mazda 3 dan altis, now new civic but for interior only.

Medium SUV : Lexus RX dan fortuner
Small SUV : CRV.

MPV : Wish dan new odyssey (JDM)
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See, Dark Lord, tidak semua orang seleranya 'terbutakan' oleh merk Nissan seperti Anda :
Naruto wrote:Tapi, kalo yang direkomendasikan hatchback culun seperti Tiida, pasti orang2 indo kurang tertarik.
Herry wrote:Lagian istri gue suka boil yg imut2 macam jazz dan yaris, terakhir kayaknya dia tertarik ama yaris neh. Kalo tiida stylingnya benar2 boring.
:mrgreen: :twisted: :e-naughty:

Dan aku setuju dengan pernyataan Mr. Herry yang satu ini :
Emang Tiida lebih besar dari jazz atau yaris dan harga yg sedikit lebih mahal dari jazz atau yaris, tapi justru itu bukan tujuannya.
Betul sekali. Di kelas supermini, that's not the point (hence the name : supermini).

Tiida itu hatchback berbasis sedan. Kenapa disuruh perang harga dengan kelas supermini (Jazz/Yaris)? :e-naughty:
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Hahaaha, Tiida temanan ama si suzuki aerio! Tapi jangan-jangan penjualannya kurang lebih sama seperti aerio atau bahkabn kurang dari aerio!
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Tiida stylingnya memang kurang bagus, menurut gw kesannya terlalu kalem dan lebih cocok untuk pasar kaum bapak2 atau ibu2. Untuk anak muda seperti kita2 ini tentu lebih naksir dgn stylingnya Yaris atau Jazz. Ibaratnya styling mereka itu cewe dgn pakaian [cencored] ! Sedangkan styling Tiida kurang [cencored], sudah termasuk kalem. Liat saja interior Tiida yang kalem itu.

And nyatanya biar my dad udah tua juga, ketika gw kasih liat pic Tiida dan Yaris. My dad langsung jatuh cinta dgn Yaris ! Apalagi setelah gw kasih tau feature2nya yang lebih unggul dari Jazz. Makin jatuh cinta !
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Hi teman-teman, back to the topic for a while ok.
Tadi pagi aku baca koran Jawa Pos, di sebuah iklan bank ada terlihat gambar X-Trail baru (mungkin). Tampak depan aja.
Tapi sepintas kok seperti wajah Fortuner.
Tapi masak dia (bank) berani tampilin gambar mobil disertai tulisan Nissan di grillenya dan X-Trail di tempat plat nomernya?
Apa benar itu X-Trail 2006? Teman-teman ada yang tahu nggak?
Kalo SMers ada yang punya spyphotonya, boleh dong dibagi.
Nanti agak siang aku coba scan gambarnya dan upload sini ya.
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U kidding me ! Si Kompas saja belum pernah ada iklan macam gitu. Jawa Pos masa ada ? NGak salah ? Bukan yang facelift belakangan itu ?

Yeah, U do that ! Scan and share with us. Maybe we will make something out of it !

How can a bank ad know how the new X-Trail looks like ? Susah di percaya ! Nanti kita compare ama gambar dari majalah MAgX di Jepang. Seharusnya hidungnya agak beda.
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guys, saya udah liat iklannya. ternyata di kompas juga ada tuh di hal.32 bawah.

setelah saya inget2, ternyata itu sama tampangnya dengan x-trail di taiwan yg baru di face-lift. kayanya Mr. Herry pernah upload photonya d.. (kalo gak salah inget lho..)
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Definitely not the all-new X-Trail.

This concept, on the other hand, could preview design cues (not the whole car design) of the next gen X-Trail (due this mid-2006)
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Ini bro, aku udah scan.
Ya, kalo diliat dari atapnya keliatan sepertinya X-Trail lama.
Liat tuh garis roof railnya! Sama antenanya keliatan sedikit kalo sepertinya X-Trail lama.
Kok model ini nggak masuk Indonesia ya?
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Wah ! Itu Terranaut lebih mirip Nissan Cube di tiub seperti balon jadi besar ! I don't like it too much. Jadi SUV terlalu kotak.

But I still believe the photo from the MagX website. Bagian body ama rearnya masih ada sisa X-Trail lama. Cuman mukanya radical change. Lebih pantas jadi new X-Trail.

As for the photo iklan Jawa Pos, persis X-Trail yang di Taiwan. Heres the Nissan Taiwan site :

http://www.nissan.com.tw/car/x-trail/ex ... el=3&top=2

Also not very good looking ! The Taiwanese mungkin ngak setuju, tapi saya pribadi senang X-Trail ama Serena di Indo ikut design Jepang, lebih cantik. Kalau di Taiwan di robah Nissan Taiwan design team, kok jadi aneh bentuknya ?

I think the MagX have a good spy track record, so patokan saya photo MagX yang itu.
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Sithlord wrote:Wah ! Itu Terranaut lebih mirip Nissan Cube di tiub seperti balon jadi besar ! I don't like it too much. Jadi SUV terlalu kotak.
Read properly, Dark Lord, READ properly :
conan wrote:This concept, on the other hand, could preview design cues (not the whole car design) of the next gen X-Trail (due this mid-2006)
Design cues dari Terranaut concept di atas itu bukan bentuk keseluruhan mobilnya tapi berbentuk headlights structure, garis bonnet, bentuk fender, blackened A-pillars (ala Range Rover), kemiringan windshield, bentuk grille, door panels, diffusers etc.
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I will still go for the MagX preview, cause dari dulu MagX itu accurate banget spy worknya. And luckily, if they are right, beda lumayan jauh ama Terranaut ini.

Its only 4 months before new X-Trail birth. Seharusnya ada photo rahasia di simpan di tempat gelap di internet. Tinggal siapa yang bisa ketemu...
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Meskipun I setuju di photo Tiida itu ngak gitu ganteng, dan culun (artinya aneh bukan ?), tapi jangan bilang di Jepang, ini mobil di China, yang baru launch di May 2005, laku banget, dan namanya, imagenya bagus, setara dengan Teana yang juga terkenal.

Baca artikel ini : http://www.jdpa.com/news/releases/press ... ID=2005269

J.D. Power Asia Pacific Reports:
Newly Launched Models are Highly Appealing to New-Vehicle Buyers in China

Manufacturers aggressively trying to differentiate their products in an
increasingly competitive market

SHANGHAI: 26 December 2005 —Chinese consumers today can choose from more than 100 different vehicles, compared to just 12 or so models as recently as in the year 2000. In this increasingly competitive environment, automakers are aggressively seeking to launch new, differentiated products to catch the eye of the Chinese consumer.

According to the J.D. Power Asia Pacific 2005 China Automotive Performance, Execution and Layout (APEAL) StudySM released today, newly launched vehicles are achieving significantly higher customer satisfaction ratings than existing models.

The APEAL Study is a consumer-reported measure of what excites and delights owners about their new vehicle’s performance and design during the first two to six months of ownership.

The industry average APEAL score of 796 (on a 1,000-point scale) reflects a 13-point increase from 2004. The increase is attributed to the steady improvement of all eight vehicle measures examined in the study: engine and transmission; cockpit and instrument panel; ride, handling and braking; heating, ventilation and cooling (HVAC); comfort and convenience; sound system; seats; and vehicle styling/exterior.

Vehicle owners in China are most satisfied with the styling/exterior and cockpit/instrument panel of their new vehicles. Conversely, owners are least satisfied with the comfort/convenience, engine/transmission and seats in their new vehicles.

The study finds that APEAL scores for new models launched in the market are higher by an average of 33 index points when compared to models that have been on the market a year or more. Out of five segments measured, newly launched models rank highest in four: entry midsize, midsize, premium midsize and MPV.

"Competitive intensity has increased dramatically in the past few years, largely driven by the launch of many new appealing models," said John Humphrey, senior vice president and managing director of J.D. Power Asia Pacific China operations. "

To maintain a strong presence in an increasingly crowded market, automakers must be able to show enhanced levels of product differentiation. Greater pricing and quality parity across the industry require that OEMs excel in the ability to integrate the rapidly changing needs of Chinese consumers into the design and performance of their products. In an environment with more choices available to consumers, achieving high levels of product appeal becomes paramount."

The importance of vehicle appeal among Chinese consumers is underscored by the difference seen in levels of brand loyalty and advocacy based on customer ratings of product satisfaction. The study finds that among owners who say they are "delighted" with their vehicle overall (rating it a 10 on a 10-point scale), 36 percent say they "definitely would" repurchase the same brand again. In sharp contrast, repurchase intentions drop to just 5 percent when customers are "indifferent" (rating the vehicle a 6 or 7).

How well a product satisfies customers’ needs impacts not only owner repurchase intentions, but also brand image through increased word-of-mouth recommendations.

Model Results by Segment

The Chevrolet Spark ranks highest in the compact car segment with a score of 789 points. The Spark performs well across all factors and sets a new benchmark for the segment. The Chery QQ (739) and Suzuki Wagon R (726) follow the Spark in the segment rankings, respectively.

The newly launched Nissan Tiida leads the entry midsize car segment with a score of 832—38 points above the segment average. Tiida performs well in six out of the eight measures. The Honda Fit and Volkswagen Polo follow the Tiida in a tie with 822 points each.

The new Peugeot 307 leads the midsize car segment in six out of eight measures with a score of 842 points. The Peugeot 307 is followed in the rankings by the Buick Excelle (833) and Volkswagen Golf (830).

In the highly competitive premium midsize car segment, the new Nissan Teana ranks highest with a score of 854 points. The Teana performs particularly well in seven out of eight categories. The Toyota Camry (845) and Honda Accord (844) follow the Teana, respectively.

The new Honda Odyssey ranks highest in the MPV segment with a score of 835 points. The GL8 (833) and Dongfeng Future (783) follow the Odyssey, respectively.

The 2005 China Automotive Performance, Execution and Layout Study is based on evaluations by 6,514 owners who purchased a new passenger vehicle from January 2005 to July 2005. Owners were interviewed between July and September 2005 in 20 major cities across China.

Meskipun study ini cuman study kepuasan konsumen di China, tapi di website lain, lupa saya, angka penjualan Tiida di China juga tumbuh cepat dan besar.

So meskipun culun, I think I will not dismiss this car too early yet. Bisa saja ini mobil seperti wanita tertentu, di photo ya gitu gitu saja, tapi di real-lifenya, OK !

Jadi penasaran saya, kok di Jepang dan China, yang juga orang Asia, laku banget ini mobil, meskipun di photo biasa biasa saja. Kalau selera orang Eropa, America, mungkin beda, tapi all are Asians in this study.

There is something more than meets the eye in this Tiida, as shown by large numbers of Japanese and Chinese buyers embracing them in large numbers.

Hope to check it out again in July's Motor show, the most likely time for her launch, kalau jadi.
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[quote="DigitALL"]........ ketika gw kasih liat pic Tiida dan Yaris. My dad langsung jatuh cinta dgn Yaris ! Apalagi setelah gw kasih tau feature2nya yang lebih unggul dari Jazz. Makin jatuh cinta ![/]

Hehehe, gimana tuh jadinya? Berhasil engga mengompas bokap loe utk beli Yaris?
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Chalupa wrote:
DigitALL wrote:........ ketika gw kasih liat pic Tiida dan Yaris. My dad langsung jatuh cinta dgn Yaris ! Apalagi setelah gw kasih tau feature2nya yang lebih unggul dari Jazz. Makin jatuh cinta ![/]

Hehehe, gimana tuh jadinya? Berhasil engga mengompas bokap loe utk beli Yaris?
Sayangnya, gw ngga berhasil sampe saat ini hiks hiks :cry: Padahal udah test drive segala :evil:

Mungkin tidak berhasil dengan Yaris kali ini, tapi berhasil dengan New C-Class tahun depan :lol:
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wah x-trail udah ada versi upgradenya ya??

kok gue ga pernah tau x-trail versi ini??
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those two are the nissan terranaut concept car, bro..hehehe..

maybe the next nissan Xtrail?? God knows..=P