Help lagi ye....

Ingin membahas hal-hal umum mengenai sepeda motor, silakan bahas disini...

Moderators: Ryan Steele, sh00t, r12qiSonH4ji, avantgardebronze, akbarfit

User avatar
123stu
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 696
Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:45
Location: jakarta

Help lagi ye....

Post by 123stu »

Motor ane dah ganti aki..
tapi emank sih bukan punya honda..
tapi indopart...

belum 2 bulan dah soak lagi..
padahal gak pake asesoris kok..
motor udah 3 tahun, apa ada masalah di kelistrikannya ya?
saat motor jalan, terjadi proses pengecasan kan di aki?? (bener gak bro?)
novasonic
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 1237
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 19:01
Location: Surabaya

Post by novasonic »

^
Jangan2 kiproknya bermasalah bro?
User avatar
123stu
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 696
Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:45
Location: jakarta

Post by 123stu »

memank sih lampu udah gak seterang dulu lagi kalo sedang keadaan langsam...
ada hubungannya ama kiprok ya? harganya berapa bro? tau gak? :)
User avatar
r1210g
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 1881
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 16:43
Location: Sunter

Post by r1210g »

Kayaknya blom tentu kiprok juga... Nih diagramnya:

Spul Magnet - Kiprok - CDI - Koil - Busi
.............................. |
............................Fuse - Kelistrikan - Aki
......................................................|
............................................Sistem kelistrikan (Lampu, DLL)

Kemungkinan spul magnet yg bermasalah... Kalo kiprok tugasnya hanya mengubah arus AC dari Spul ke arus DC...

Kemungkinan kedua, kabel2 bermasalah.. ada yg kurang kenceng...

kemungkinan ketiga, akinya lagi ga hoki dapetnya...

Dicoba aj bro..
Pas soak (ato sengaja soakin), nyalain motor u pake engkol
Trus muter2 dengan RPM cukup tinggi sekitar 30 Menit (Sedikit Balap Liar-lah)... Coba balik lagi...
Trus sekarang pake starter elektrik... Harusnya aki dah ngisi dan bisa dipake...

Kalo gagal, coba charge tuh aki... Pake charger aki... Lalu coba nyalain lagi pake starter elektrik, kalo nyla...
Ya berarti memang kondisi spul dan kawan2 yg bermaslah
Last edited by r1210g on Wed Aug 08, 2007 17:52, edited 3 times in total.
User avatar
123stu
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 696
Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:45
Location: jakarta

Post by 123stu »

spul magnet yang mananya bro ? :P
User avatar
r1210g
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 1881
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 16:43
Location: Sunter

Post by r1210g »

Biasanya sebelah kiri motor... Itu di deket tuas gigi...

Cabut aki, nyalain motor... Pake Multitester cek kabel2 nganggur yg harusnya nempel di kepala aki...
harusnya diatas 12 Volts...
User avatar
ahardo
Full Member of Senior Mechanic
Full Member of Senior Mechanic
Posts: 443
Joined: Sat May 20, 2006 8:47
Location: Sondy Raya, But now Jakarta barat

Post by ahardo »

klo misalnya lampu kadang redup kadang terang itu kasusnya gmn bro.. soalnya satria gw suka begitchuuu... pusing gw takutnya.. emang spul di magnet yang emang harus di gulung ulang
Turbo Hayabusa

Image
User avatar
r1210g
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 1881
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 16:43
Location: Sunter

Post by r1210g »

Satria ap bro? detail kasusnya bisa diceritakan?
redupnya gmn?
User avatar
ahardo
Full Member of Senior Mechanic
Full Member of Senior Mechanic
Posts: 443
Joined: Sat May 20, 2006 8:47
Location: Sondy Raya, But now Jakarta barat

Post by ahardo »

satria RU bro... ya klo pas lagi jalan pada malam hari... lampunya kadang redup kadang terang,... tp rentang waktunya gak lama bro.. redup 1/2 menit terangnya paling 5 detik... habis itu redup lagi.. kadang2 reduuup terus gak terang2 lagi hehe
Turbo Hayabusa

Image
User avatar
123stu
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 696
Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:45
Location: jakarta

Post by 123stu »

r1210g wrote:Kayaknya blom tentu kiprok juga... Nih diagramnya:

Spul Magnet - Kiprok - CDI - Koil - Busi
.............................. |
Fuse - Kelistrikan - Aki
......................................................|
Sistem kelistrikan (Lampu, DLL)

Kemungkinan spul magnet yg bermasalah... Kalo kiprok tugasnya hanya mengubah arus AC dari Spul ke arus DC...

Kemungkinan kedua, kabel2 bermasalah.. ada yg kurang kenceng...

kemungkinan ketiga, akinya lagi ga hoki dapetnya...

Dicoba aj bro..
Pas soak (ato sengaja soakin), nyalain motor u pake engkol
Trus muter2 dengan RPM cukup tinggi sekitar 30 Menit (Sedikit Balap Liar-lah)... Coba balik lagi...
Trus sekarang pake starter elektrik... Harusnya aki dah ngisi dan bisa dipake...

Kalo gagal, coba charge tuh aki... Pake charger aki... Lalu coba nyalain lagi pake starter elektrik, kalo nyla...
Ya berarti memang kondisi spul dan kawan2 yg bermaslah
wah... bisa ribut neh komplek kalo ngegas rada gede gitu...
he33x..
trus, aki yang baru dibeli, dibiarin lama gak kepake bisa jadi soak gak?
soalnya aki ane gitu sebelum dipake, trus jadi eror gini...
aki kering kalo habis bisa dicas bro?
User avatar
123stu
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 696
Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:45
Location: jakarta

Post by 123stu »

r1210g wrote:Biasanya sebelah kiri motor... Itu di deket tuas gigi...

Cabut aki, nyalain motor... Pake Multitester cek kabel2 nganggur yg harusnya nempel di kepala aki...
harusnya diatas 12 Volts...
ini cara buat mengetahui apakah pengecasan motor berjalan dengan baik, ya bro?
User avatar
r1210g
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 1881
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 16:43
Location: Sunter

Post by r1210g »

123stu wrote:
r1210g wrote:Biasanya sebelah kiri motor... Itu di deket tuas gigi...

Cabut aki, nyalain motor... Pake Multitester cek kabel2 nganggur yg harusnya nempel di kepala aki...
harusnya diatas 12 Volts...
ini cara buat mengetahui apakah pengecasan motor berjalan dengan baik, ya bro?
Betul..
User avatar
r1210g
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 1881
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 16:43
Location: Sunter

Post by r1210g »

123stu wrote:
r1210g wrote:Kayaknya blom tentu kiprok juga... Nih diagramnya:

Spul Magnet - Kiprok - CDI - Koil - Busi
.............................. |
Fuse - Kelistrikan - Aki
......................................................|
Sistem kelistrikan (Lampu, DLL)

Kemungkinan spul magnet yg bermasalah... Kalo kiprok tugasnya hanya mengubah arus AC dari Spul ke arus DC...

Kemungkinan kedua, kabel2 bermasalah.. ada yg kurang kenceng...

kemungkinan ketiga, akinya lagi ga hoki dapetnya...

Dicoba aj bro..
Pas soak (ato sengaja soakin), nyalain motor u pake engkol
Trus muter2 dengan RPM cukup tinggi sekitar 30 Menit (Sedikit Balap Liar-lah)... Coba balik lagi...
Trus sekarang pake starter elektrik... Harusnya aki dah ngisi dan bisa dipake...

Kalo gagal, coba charge tuh aki... Pake charger aki... Lalu coba nyalain lagi pake starter elektrik, kalo nyla...
Ya berarti memang kondisi spul dan kawan2 yg bermaslah
wah... bisa ribut neh komplek kalo ngegas rada gede gitu...
he33x..
trus, aki yang baru dibeli, dibiarin lama gak kepake bisa jadi soak gak?
soalnya aki ane gitu sebelum dipake, trus jadi eror gini...
aki kering kalo habis bisa dicas bro?
Jangan di komplek atuh bro... jalan2 kek kemana... Ke jalan besar, ya tapi siap2 direspon oleh orang2 aja...
Ha3... Tapi biarinlah, toh kita ada tujuan yg benar...
User avatar
r1210g
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 1881
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 16:43
Location: Sunter

Post by r1210g »

ahardo wrote:satria RU bro... ya klo pas lagi jalan pada malam hari... lampunya kadang redup kadang terang,... tp rentang waktunya gak lama bro.. redup 1/2 menit terangnya paling 5 detik... habis itu redup lagi.. kadang2 reduuup terus gak terang2 lagi hehe
Wah sama donk satria RU.... Tapi gw sih ga ada masalah bgitu bro...
Smua standard?
Lampu2 lain, kayak di speedometer apa begitu juga?
Kalo begitu sih biasa ada yang kurang kenceng...
coba di kepala aki sama dudukan lampunya...

Yang normal sih ikutin putaran mesin bro.. Kalo kenceng ya terang, kalo pelan ya redup... Begitukah?
User avatar
123stu
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 696
Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:45
Location: jakarta

Post by 123stu »

arus yang keluar dari kabel tersebut, AC ato DC?
berati bener dunk, saat motor jalan, terjadi pengecasan di Aki motor, ya?
semua merk motor gitu gak? gw pake motor honda..

kalo misalnya tegangan yg keluar dari kabel tersebut gak lebih dari 12v, malah dibawahnya, apa yg kudu diganti bro?
User avatar
ahardo
Full Member of Senior Mechanic
Full Member of Senior Mechanic
Posts: 443
Joined: Sat May 20, 2006 8:47
Location: Sondy Raya, But now Jakarta barat

Post by ahardo »

motor ogud dah pretelan bro, aki dah dicabut, speedo meter dah gak di pake, dulu sih gak ada masalah. akhir2 ini aja... emang bener klo mesin pelan ya redup klo mesin di geber ya terang, tp tidak seterang yang kadang2 itu..
Turbo Hayabusa

Image
User avatar
r1210g
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 1881
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 16:43
Location: Sunter

Post by r1210g »

123stu wrote:arus yang keluar dari kabel tersebut, AC ato DC?
DC bro.. kalo AC aki itu jebol... Aki kan DC...
123stu wrote: berati bener dunk, saat motor jalan, terjadi pengecasan di Aki motor, ya?
semua merk motor gitu gak? gw pake motor honda..
Pasti bro... Smua kendaraan pasti begitu... aki sifatnya seperti batere rechargeable...
kayak batere HandPhonelah... Makanya ada umurnya..
123stu wrote: kalo misalnya tegangan yg keluar dari kabel tersebut gak lebih dari 12v, malah dibawahnya, apa yg kudu diganti bro?
Sesuai prinsip listrik mengalir dari tegangan tinggi ke rendah...
Kalo kurang dari itu berarti aki ga menerima supply listrik...
Kemungknan spull magnet...
User avatar
r1210g
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 1881
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 16:43
Location: Sunter

Post by r1210g »

ahardo wrote:motor ogud dah pretelan bro, aki dah dicabut, speedo meter dah gak di pake, dulu sih gak ada masalah. akhir2 ini aja... emang bener klo mesin pelan ya redup klo mesin di geber ya terang, tp tidak seterang yang kadang2 itu..
Wah jangan bro... Saran ogud, kalo bisa aki pasang lagi deh... Soalnya aki selain sebagai penyimpan arus, juga sebagai penstabil arus... CDI bisa sering2 ganti tuh...
tapi kalo dah seneng dipretelin sih bingung juga ya... He3...

Kalo begitu kondisi anda normal bro... Soalnya ga pake aki... Namanya juga benda (spul magnet) berputar ya... Mungkin aja ada arus yg kadang berlebih...
User avatar
123stu
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 696
Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:45
Location: jakarta

Post by 123stu »

spul magnet berapa kira2 bro?
tw gak? kira2 aja... biar gak di tepu ama orang2 nakal aje.... ;)
User avatar
r1210g
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 1881
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 16:43
Location: Sunter

Post by r1210g »

123stu wrote:spul magnet berapa kira2 bro?
tw gak? kira2 aja... biar gak di tepu ama orang2 nakal aje.... ;)
wah ga tau juga bro... tapi setau ogud bisa di gulung ulang... Itu kan kayak dinamo di tamiya, tapi cara kerjanya dibalik aja...
Kalo mau,coba isenk ke AHASS terdekat nanya aja,ya sekaian servis deh tanya apa yg bermasalah... Mungkin juga kabel2...
Kan bisa dijadikan pertimbangan harga buat cari ditempat lain yg mungkin lbih murah..
User avatar
123stu
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 696
Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:45
Location: jakarta

Post by 123stu »

OK deh... Thanks banyak neh bro...
mudah2n gak mahal2 deh.. neh motor udah banyak minta diganti ini itu, minta dijual ape ye...
huehehe33x... :)
User avatar
r1210g
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 1881
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 16:43
Location: Sunter

Post by r1210g »

wakakaka.... yg sabar bro.. semakin bermasalah, semakin kenal deh tuh motor, semakin sayang deh.. Ha3...

Tak kenal maka tak sayang...
kena mahal minta dibuang...

Ha3....
User avatar
123stu
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 696
Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:45
Location: jakarta

Post by 123stu »

nanya lagi bro...
hee33x...
normal gak sih, kalo lagi jalan gigi 1 dan 2, gas rada brebet...?
maksudnya, jalannya motor kyk tesentak-sentak kalo lagi di gas sedang (gas rada ditahan)...
ganti Koil dan CDI bisa buat masalah di motor gak?
User avatar
riofhaloho
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 1375
Joined: Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:26
Location: Depok

Post by riofhaloho »

maaf bro, gas rada brebet yah...?

bukan dihandle gas-nya yg kaku kan?
kl brebet di gigi 1 dan 2 sih gak normal bro, tp gak terlalu bermasalah asalkan mesin gak sampe mati...

coba periksa yg paling gampang bro, busi...!
kl udah, mungkin aliran bensin... dari selang, filter, ama kondisi karbu... habis itu, kemungkinan besar pilot-jet nya kekecilan akibat karakter CDI/ Koil yg telah diganti... CMIIW

untuk CDI ama Koil, tergantung karakter CDI/Koil nya...
bs aj nendang di putaran atas tp bermasalah di putaran bawah ampe tengah...
User avatar
123stu
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
New Member of Mechanic Engineer
Posts: 696
Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:45
Location: jakarta

Post by 123stu »

Handle gas normal..
gak masalah..
cuma ya itu..
sering coba nahan gas pelan di gigi 1 ato 2, motor jadi agak ndut2an gitu... he33x...
gak normal ya?

ganti CDI dan koil ada efek negatif gak di mesin?
karena mesin bakal bekerja diluar batas maksimum normal kan?
maksud ane, kalo kira ada efek negatifnya, apa yg bakal kena dampaknya?