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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 11]

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DOHC wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:08
Vrz dah d cek mbah ?

Dapetnya yg buatan mana ?
buatan karawang :big_biglaugh:
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Omnibus wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:26
DOHC wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 4:08
Vrz dah d cek mbah ?

Dapetnya yg buatan mana ?
buatan karawang :big_biglaugh:
Hah ?? Serius mbah ad relay denso buatan karawang ??

Parah bener sunatan nya
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menyambung bahasan relay, ane coba tanya partman beres toyota buat compare harga, naujubile 10x lipat harganya

ket.
9004A parts unit kembaran toyota-dai'
90987 parts real toyota imv bawaan innova fortuner
gak tau 90987 ini made in mana, tapi di tokped ada yg jual katanya made in thai
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zzzprince wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:58 menyambung bahasan relay, ane coba tanya partman beres toyota buat compare harga, naujubile 10x lipat harganya

ket.
9004A parts unit kembaran toyota-dai'
90987 parts real toyota imv bawaan innova fortuner
gak tau 90987 ini made in mana, tapi di tokped ada yg jual katanya made in thai
Kl 90987 yg di inofa kita orang seh smuanya made in nippon

Btw, ajegile sbiji aj gopeceng tu relay
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DOHC wrote:
zzzprince wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:58 menyambung bahasan relay, ane coba tanya partman beres toyota buat compare harga, naujubile 10x lipat harganya

ket.
9004A parts unit kembaran toyota-dai'
90987 parts real toyota imv bawaan innova fortuner
gak tau 90987 ini made in mana, tapi di tokped ada yg jual katanya made in thai
Kl 90987 yg di inofa kita orang seh smuanya made in nippon

Btw, ajegile sbiji aj gopeceng tu relay
Yaa moga aja masih beneran Made in Jepun.. dapet kiri kanan dong Astra kalo relay 500rb masi sama vendornya sama yg 50 rb an heheh

Kalo klakson bunyi beda2 pas di pencet, ane malah curiga sama area alternator yang tiba2 cut off arus, soalnya udah coba tambah relay tambahan, grounding sampe naikin ampere aki kadang-kadang masih beda bunyi tuh klakson. Udah ganti pakai P/N nya gnki juga sama, kejadian di Avanza 2021

Coba deh om lampu mundur ganti LED, kedip2 manja gak kalo lagi pas setengah kopling. Punya ane agak kedip manja soalnya. Kalo iya sama berarti common problem unit kembaran Toyodai
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 11]

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zzzprince wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:00
DOHC wrote:
zzzprince wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 5:58 menyambung bahasan relay, ane coba tanya partman beres toyota buat compare harga, naujubile 10x lipat harganya

ket.
9004A parts unit kembaran toyota-dai'
90987 parts real toyota imv bawaan innova fortuner
gak tau 90987 ini made in mana, tapi di tokped ada yg jual katanya made in thai
Kl 90987 yg di inofa kita orang seh smuanya made in nippon

Btw, ajegile sbiji aj gopeceng tu relay
Yaa moga aja masih beneran Made in Jepun.. dapet kiri kanan dong Astra kalo relay 500rb masi sama vendornya sama yg 50 rb an heheh

Kalo klakson bunyi beda2 pas di pencet, ane malah curiga sama area alternator yang tiba2 cut off arus, soalnya udah coba tambah relay tambahan, grounding sampe naikin ampere aki kadang-kadang masih beda bunyi tuh klakson. Udah ganti pakai P/N nya gnki juga sama, kejadian di Avanza 2021

Coba deh om lampu mundur ganti LED, kedip2 manja gak kalo lagi pas setengah kopling. Punya ane agak kedip manja soalnya. Kalo iya sama berarti common problem unit kembaran Toyodai
kl klakson bunyi beda, saya yakin karena faktor relay om

karena begitu relay nya ta balikin lg pake yg made in nippon bawaan, mo dtahan pencet jg tetep mantep bunyi nya

tp begitu ta ganti pake yg minangsuang made, bsa naek turun


kl di mobil2 toyodai, emg penyakit dr jaman afansa enjin K3 tuh, dulu afansa gen 1 saya jg gt, ac kompresor kl lg engage, lampu utama pasti redup sikit, ud tambah grounding jg sama aj, ini skrg di agya jg begitu, lebi sensitif lg malah, nyalain lampu kota aj rpm lgs naek, padahal lampu kota ud pake led
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Mbah, made in Minangsuang itu buatan mana yaks?
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blloewy wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:21 Mbah, made in Minangsuang itu buatan mana yaks?
nyanyi yu mbah :upss: :upss:

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DOHC wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 10:25
nyanyi yu mbah :upss: :upss:

:mky_03: :mky_03:

ai juga tadinya ga tau .... tp drpd nanya disini mending nanya ke mbah gugel. :big_blushing:
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DOHC wrote:
zzzprince wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:00
DOHC wrote: Kl 90987 yg di inofa kita orang seh smuanya made in nippon

Btw, ajegile sbiji aj gopeceng tu relay
Yaa moga aja masih beneran Made in Jepun.. dapet kiri kanan dong Astra kalo relay 500rb masi sama vendornya sama yg 50 rb an heheh

Kalo klakson bunyi beda2 pas di pencet, ane malah curiga sama area alternator yang tiba2 cut off arus, soalnya udah coba tambah relay tambahan, grounding sampe naikin ampere aki kadang-kadang masih beda bunyi tuh klakson. Udah ganti pakai P/N nya gnki juga sama, kejadian di Avanza 2021

Coba deh om lampu mundur ganti LED, kedip2 manja gak kalo lagi pas setengah kopling. Punya ane agak kedip manja soalnya. Kalo iya sama berarti common problem unit kembaran Toyodai
kl klakson bunyi beda, saya yakin karena faktor relay om

karena begitu relay nya ta balikin lg pake yg made in nippon bawaan, mo dtahan pencet jg tetep mantep bunyi nya

tp begitu ta ganti pake yg minangsuang made, bsa naek turun


kl di mobil2 toyodai, emg penyakit dr jaman afansa enjin K3 tuh, dulu afansa gen 1 saya jg gt, ac kompresor kl lg engage, lampu utama pasti redup sikit, ud tambah grounding jg sama aj, ini skrg di agya jg begitu, lebi sensitif lg malah, nyalain lampu kota aj rpm lgs naek, padahal lampu kota ud pake led
Kalo apansa 2021 relay klakson ikut mana Mbah? Cuma Nemu 2 relay, part number di katalog sama.. tapi warna beda... fenomena apalagi ini mbah
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 11]

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zzzprince wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:50
DOHC wrote:
zzzprince wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:00 Yaa moga aja masih beneran Made in Jepun.. dapet kiri kanan dong Astra kalo relay 500rb masi sama vendornya sama yg 50 rb an heheh

Kalo klakson bunyi beda2 pas di pencet, ane malah curiga sama area alternator yang tiba2 cut off arus, soalnya udah coba tambah relay tambahan, grounding sampe naikin ampere aki kadang-kadang masih beda bunyi tuh klakson. Udah ganti pakai P/N nya gnki juga sama, kejadian di Avanza 2021

Coba deh om lampu mundur ganti LED, kedip2 manja gak kalo lagi pas setengah kopling. Punya ane agak kedip manja soalnya. Kalo iya sama berarti common problem unit kembaran Toyodai
kl klakson bunyi beda, saya yakin karena faktor relay om

karena begitu relay nya ta balikin lg pake yg made in nippon bawaan, mo dtahan pencet jg tetep mantep bunyi nya

tp begitu ta ganti pake yg minangsuang made, bsa naek turun


kl di mobil2 toyodai, emg penyakit dr jaman afansa enjin K3 tuh, dulu afansa gen 1 saya jg gt, ac kompresor kl lg engage, lampu utama pasti redup sikit, ud tambah grounding jg sama aj, ini skrg di agya jg begitu, lebi sensitif lg malah, nyalain lampu kota aj rpm lgs naek, padahal lampu kota ud pake led
Kalo apansa 2021 relay klakson ikut mana Mbah? Cuma Nemu 2 relay, part number di katalog sama.. tapi warna beda... fenomena apalagi ini mbah20220728_204054.jpg
cabut aja one by one trus pencet klakson nya om. yg bikin klakson ga hidup ya itulah relay nya :big_grin:
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rilex bentar biar gak mumet.. :mky_04:



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gentongxz wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 13:15 rilex bentar biar gak mumet.. :mky_04:



:big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh: :big_biglaugh:
:big_biglaugh:

kebanyakan makan cicak kering tuh jd tulalit sendiri

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cicak kering laku diekspor kata berita.
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zzzprince wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:50
DOHC wrote:
zzzprince wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:00 Yaa moga aja masih beneran Made in Jepun.. dapet kiri kanan dong Astra kalo relay 500rb masi sama vendornya sama yg 50 rb an heheh

Kalo klakson bunyi beda2 pas di pencet, ane malah curiga sama area alternator yang tiba2 cut off arus, soalnya udah coba tambah relay tambahan, grounding sampe naikin ampere aki kadang-kadang masih beda bunyi tuh klakson. Udah ganti pakai P/N nya gnki juga sama, kejadian di Avanza 2021

Coba deh om lampu mundur ganti LED, kedip2 manja gak kalo lagi pas setengah kopling. Punya ane agak kedip manja soalnya. Kalo iya sama berarti common problem unit kembaran Toyodai
kl klakson bunyi beda, saya yakin karena faktor relay om

karena begitu relay nya ta balikin lg pake yg made in nippon bawaan, mo dtahan pencet jg tetep mantep bunyi nya

tp begitu ta ganti pake yg minangsuang made, bsa naek turun


kl di mobil2 toyodai, emg penyakit dr jaman afansa enjin K3 tuh, dulu afansa gen 1 saya jg gt, ac kompresor kl lg engage, lampu utama pasti redup sikit, ud tambah grounding jg sama aj, ini skrg di agya jg begitu, lebi sensitif lg malah, nyalain lampu kota aj rpm lgs naek, padahal lampu kota ud pake led
Kalo apansa 2021 relay klakson ikut mana Mbah? Cuma Nemu 2 relay, part number di katalog sama.. tapi warna beda... fenomena apalagi ini mbah20220728_204054.jpg
coba cari di kotak relay nya mbah

cari yg tulisan horn

kl ga ada, yah kaya di agya ayla, dari fabriekan cuman dikasi sebiji klakson doank, tp kl ud 2 biji, biasanya dikasi relay
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marmut wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:13 yang dinanti ahirnya datang juga.....

:mky_03:



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kok gaada tulisan "JIS" ya?

:big_grin:
beautiful :big_love:
marmut wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:35 di kamar sebelah lagi bahas velg, ada yang pake velg mahal ada yang replika ada yang standar.

coba, dari sekian banyak yang pasang velg seharga motor, berapa banyak yang ngolesin anti seize ke hub?



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saya sering nemu yang dioles chassis grease nlgi3 entah merk apa, warnanya biru.
niat hati mungkin supaya gampang dibukanya, tapi yang ada malah lengket jijik nggilani.

:?

ada juga yang dibiarin kering tanpa lapisan apapun selain karat...
bikin velg jadi kaya di las ga bisa dilepas dari hub kecuali manggil hercules.

:frm_bang_head:

nah, yang suka bongpas velg sendiri, mau pilih mana? tanpa lapisan apapun biar hub dan velg kena karat susah dilepas, atau pakein gemuk murmer kaya bengkel pinggir jalan yang mekaniknya jarinya jempol semua gapake sarung tangan, apa bgmn?



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ane grease coklat kyodoyushi :ungg:
Omnibus wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:40 mon ijin ngerame2in tret mbah .... :ungg:

baru nyampe, lama di jalur merah nih kasian


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made in wuppertal :big_exellent:


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foto rekan seteam ... porsche vv stahlwille :emo-photo:


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gogoleran sama dulur2 msh jet lag katanya :big_slap:


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*makin ga muat roll cab nya :e-whistle:
beautiful :big_love:


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zzzprince wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:50
DOHC wrote:
zzzprince wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:00 Yaa moga aja masih beneran Made in Jepun.. dapet kiri kanan dong Astra kalo relay 500rb masi sama vendornya sama yg 50 rb an heheh

Kalo klakson bunyi beda2 pas di pencet, ane malah curiga sama area alternator yang tiba2 cut off arus, soalnya udah coba tambah relay tambahan, grounding sampe naikin ampere aki kadang-kadang masih beda bunyi tuh klakson. Udah ganti pakai P/N nya gnki juga sama, kejadian di Avanza 2021

Coba deh om lampu mundur ganti LED, kedip2 manja gak kalo lagi pas setengah kopling. Punya ane agak kedip manja soalnya. Kalo iya sama berarti common problem unit kembaran Toyodai
kl klakson bunyi beda, saya yakin karena faktor relay om

karena begitu relay nya ta balikin lg pake yg made in nippon bawaan, mo dtahan pencet jg tetep mantep bunyi nya

tp begitu ta ganti pake yg minangsuang made, bsa naek turun


kl di mobil2 toyodai, emg penyakit dr jaman afansa enjin K3 tuh, dulu afansa gen 1 saya jg gt, ac kompresor kl lg engage, lampu utama pasti redup sikit, ud tambah grounding jg sama aj, ini skrg di agya jg begitu, lebi sensitif lg malah, nyalain lampu kota aj rpm lgs naek, padahal lampu kota ud pake led
Kalo apansa 2021 relay klakson ikut mana Mbah? Cuma Nemu 2 relay, part number di katalog sama.. tapi warna beda... fenomena apalagi ini mbah20220728_204054.jpg
itu integration relay untuk atur ignition, fuel pump, radiator fan dll
horn1.JPG
horn2.JPG
kalau liat ini di bawah dashboard sih

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DOHC wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 13:30 coba cari di kotak relay nya mbah

cari yg tulisan horn

kl ga ada, yah kaya di agya ayla, dari fabriekan cuman dikasi sebiji klakson doank, tp kl ud 2 biji, biasanya dikasi relay
dont rich people difficult mbah, tarik relay aja dari aki langsung, langsung jos paten. kabel set rakitan pabrikan juga udah murah sekarang, ini awal tahun beli merek Bosch, itu kabel2 dan skun ga jelek lah, ganti 3 tahun sekali juga ga sakit hati, dan mestinya asli pula.
kalau ga yakin dan mau repot ya rakit sendiri pake kabel 4AWG, all joint soldered, skun asli tembaga, relay Denso Nippon beli di beres :big_exellent:
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kunaskun wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:53
DOHC wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 13:30 coba cari di kotak relay nya mbah

cari yg tulisan horn

kl ga ada, yah kaya di agya ayla, dari fabriekan cuman dikasi sebiji klakson doank, tp kl ud 2 biji, biasanya dikasi relay
dont rich people difficult mbah, tarik relay aja dari aki langsung, langsung jos paten. kabel set rakitan pabrikan juga udah murah sekarang, ini awal tahun beli merek Bosch, itu kabel2 dan skun ga jelek lah, ganti 3 tahun sekali juga ga sakit hati, dan mestinya asli pula.
kalau ga yakin dan mau repot ya rakit sendiri pake kabel 4AWG, all joint soldered, skun asli tembaga, relay Denso Nippon beli di beres :big_exellent:
say no more

tentu sudah dpasangin relay aftermarket donk mbah , plus skrg klakson nya jd dual tone, asemregezers style lg :big_exellent: :big_exellent:
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agya rasa inofa skrg bunyi nya :big_smoking: :big_smoking:
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singachu wrote:
zzzprince wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:50
DOHC wrote: kl klakson bunyi beda, saya yakin karena faktor relay om

karena begitu relay nya ta balikin lg pake yg made in nippon bawaan, mo dtahan pencet jg tetep mantep bunyi nya

tp begitu ta ganti pake yg minangsuang made, bsa naek turun


kl di mobil2 toyodai, emg penyakit dr jaman afansa enjin K3 tuh, dulu afansa gen 1 saya jg gt, ac kompresor kl lg engage, lampu utama pasti redup sikit, ud tambah grounding jg sama aj, ini skrg di agya jg begitu, lebi sensitif lg malah, nyalain lampu kota aj rpm lgs naek, padahal lampu kota ud pake led
Kalo apansa 2021 relay klakson ikut mana Mbah? Cuma Nemu 2 relay, part number di katalog sama.. tapi warna beda... fenomena apalagi ini mbah20220728_204054.jpg
itu integration relay untuk atur ignition, fuel pump, radiator fan dll
horn1.JPG
horn2.JPG
kalau liat ini di bawah dashboard sih

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Di kolong dashboard cuma ada relay foglamp om.. itupun kosong karna bawaan mobil belum ada

Jangan2 relaynya jadi 1 sama fuse block assy ya
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ngomongin klakson suara mletot ai jd penasaran nih. soalnya si njess kadang begitu juga kl lg klakson panjang. bikin malu aja. :big_bored:
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Omnibus wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:32 ngomongin klakson suara mletot ai jd penasaran nih. soalnya si njess kadang begitu juga kl lg klakson panjang. bikin malu aja. :big_bored:
jangan2 kaya 1KR-JZGTE kita orng neh, ga dikasi relay

tp dl seinget kita orang, dulu hrv klakson nya mantep koq kl dipencet tahan (ma'lum, aliran sabes mabes, kl nglakson wajip nahan)
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DOHC wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:39
Omnibus wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:32 ngomongin klakson suara mletot ai jd penasaran nih. soalnya si njess kadang begitu juga kl lg klakson panjang. bikin malu aja. :big_bored:
jangan2 kaya 1KR-JZGTE kita orng neh, ga dikasi relay

tp dl seinget kita orang, dulu hrv klakson nya mantep koq kl dipencet tahan (ma'lum, aliran sabes mabes, kl nglakson wajip nahan)
kl klakson nya 2 biji (Hi Lo) biasanya udah dikasih relay mbah. ntar deh ai oprek. jd penasaran.
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 11]

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Omnibus wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:48
DOHC wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:39
Omnibus wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:32 ngomongin klakson suara mletot ai jd penasaran nih. soalnya si njess kadang begitu juga kl lg klakson panjang. bikin malu aja. :big_bored:
jangan2 kaya 1KR-JZGTE kita orng neh, ga dikasi relay

tp dl seinget kita orang, dulu hrv klakson nya mantep koq kl dipencet tahan (ma'lum, aliran sabes mabes, kl nglakson wajip nahan)
kl klakson nya 2 biji (Hi Lo) biasanya udah dikasih relay mbah. ntar deh ai oprek. jd penasaran.
mustinya sehh mmg harusnya dikasi relay, kl ga bsa kbakar itu saklar pencetan nya ,

tapi dl seinget ai, mitsu lancer Ck yg klakson nya cuman sbiji aj ud dikasi relay koq, makanya kecil2 cabe rawit tu klakson

btw lg

jangan2 klakson si GK ud mo tewas kl mbah, mitsuba kadang klakson nya bahlul, dl lipindut kita orang jg klakson nya mati padahal baru umur 3 taon, klakson bawaan nya merk mitsuba jg
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 11]

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DOHC wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:46
Omnibus wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:48
DOHC wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:39

jangan2 kaya 1KR-JZGTE kita orng neh, ga dikasi relay

tp dl seinget kita orang, dulu hrv klakson nya mantep koq kl dipencet tahan (ma'lum, aliran sabes mabes, kl nglakson wajip nahan)
kl klakson nya 2 biji (Hi Lo) biasanya udah dikasih relay mbah. ntar deh ai oprek. jd penasaran.
mustinya sehh mmg harusnya dikasi relay, kl ga bsa kbakar itu saklar pencetan nya ,

tapi dl seinget ai, mitsu lancer Ck yg klakson nya cuman sbiji aj ud dikasi relay koq, makanya kecil2 cabe rawit tu klakson

btw lg

jangan2 klakson si GK ud mo tewas kl mbah, mitsuba kadang klakson nya bahlul, dl lipindut kita orang jg klakson nya mati padahal baru umur 3 taon, klakson bawaan nya merk mitsuba jg
kayanya denso deh mbah. ai pernah intip kl ga salah denso.
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Re: Koleksi hand tools [Part 11]

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Omnibus wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:22
DOHC wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:46
Omnibus wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:48

kl klakson nya 2 biji (Hi Lo) biasanya udah dikasih relay mbah. ntar deh ai oprek. jd penasaran.
mustinya sehh mmg harusnya dikasi relay, kl ga bsa kbakar itu saklar pencetan nya ,

tapi dl seinget ai, mitsu lancer Ck yg klakson nya cuman sbiji aj ud dikasi relay koq, makanya kecil2 cabe rawit tu klakson

btw lg

jangan2 klakson si GK ud mo tewas kl mbah, mitsuba kadang klakson nya bahlul, dl lipindut kita orang jg klakson nya mati padahal baru umur 3 taon, klakson bawaan nya merk mitsuba jg
kayanya denso deh mbah. ai pernah intip kl ga salah denso.
kl seandainya denso, trus ud ber relay tp masi naek turun (aku benci fikiranku) suaranya, alamat musti bkin kerusuhan di fabriek honda karawang tuh
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